Evidence of Jones' Guilt

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  1. acannxr

    acannxr Brown Belt

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    Jan 2015: Greg Howard (who spent a lot of time with Jones to write a comprehensive article on him), reported that Jones was rumored to have hid under the octagon when the drug testers showed up at JacksonWink, prior to the first Cormier fight.

    Jones has a suspiciously low T/E ratio that deviates 80% from his previous reading; the UFC-USADA drug program was not in effect at this time.

    Mar 2016: Frank Mir, teammate of Jon Jones, fails drug test for Oral Turinabol.

    Jul 2016: Jones tests positive for Clomiphene and Letrozole.
    • Jones allegedly claims to have ingested a penis pill.
    • The penis pill, however, contained a third banned substance, of which Jones did not test positive for.
    • Jones claimed his friend gave him the penis pill.
    • This friend provided an invoice for the purchase of the penis pill, and on the same invoice was an order for Clomiphene (one of the two substances Jones was flagged for).
    • Common sense dictates that Jones used a middle-man to purchase his PEDs, and bought the penis pill preemptively as an excuse in case he got caught, but never actually ingested the penis pill, otherwise the third banned substance would've shown up.
    Apr 2017: Frank Mir receives a two year suspension as a first time offender for Oral Turinabol.

    Aug 2017: During his FOX interview, Jones slips up and says that he defeated Cormier "off steroids". His silence afterwards says more than any words could.



    Aug 2017: Jones tests positive for Oral Turinabol, the same substance teammate Frank Mir tested positive for back in March of 2016.

    February 2018: During Jones' CSAC hearing, it's discovered that:
    • He failed to report 10 supplements to United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) prior to his performance at UFC 214, despite signing a document that said he did, and that he only disclosed their existence when they were sent to the lab to be tested for banned substances (after his failed drug test).
    • Jones admitted he never watched mandated tutorials provided by USADA in both 2015 and 2016, instead passing them off to his management to take in his place (including having them forge his signature to confirm that he took said tutorials).
    Precedent:
    Cerrone recently said that JacksonWink's main wrestling coach used to be a junior assistant coach at some no-name college and was fired for selling kids steroids:
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    And if USADA gives Jones anything less than 4 years, it'd not only open USADA up to litigation from fighters who received harsher punishments for equal or lesser offenses, but WADA would step in and override it:
    Additionally, if USADA gave Jones anything less than 4 years, it'd set a precedent that any second-time offender could cite in order to receive a shorter suspension (either to USADA or in court).

    October 2017-August 2018:

    Jones is not tested at any point by USADA.

    September 2018:

    Jones received 4 years, but was able to get his suspension reduced to 15 months as a result of snitching; the 4 year suspension can still be reinstated if Jones' snitching doesn't pan out.

    December 2018:

    Jones tests positive for turinabol:
    12/9/18: 60 pg/ml

    NSAC denies Jones a license.

    It's been reported that Jones failed an additional three drug tests:
    7/28/18: 80 pg/ml
    8/29/18: 8 pg/ml
    9/18/18: 19 pg/ml

    Note that these three failed drug tests pre-date the change in the UFC's announcement policy for failed USADA drug tests, which means that all three of these tests should have been announced to the public, but they were covered up by the UFC/USADA.

    USADA also had a "technical issue" much in the same way as they did with Lesnar:

    By @-Dim- 's own numbers, Jones didn't make his first appearance in the USADA database until Aug 15th:


    Yet Jones' test back in July was not listed in the USADA database.
     
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  2. kmelloh

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    Even if he’s found not guilty I think he still won’t be back in 2018, at what point do they (USADA) say “Yeah we hear your story about the tainted supplements but we don’t care. Next time know what you’re taking “
     
  3. Arm Barbarian

    Arm Barbarian Steel Belt Platinum Member

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    Shhh....Don't question Juice-head & his nut-huggers "coincidence" theories, TS!

    It's all "dick pills" and "tainted supplements"

    lmao
     
  4. Buff

    Buff Trash Belt Degenerate

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    If WME spend enough money he walks away scot free.

    Same as it's always been.

    I hope they spend the money - I don't care about anythng you listed, or hold it against him.
     
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  5. Kung Fu Tze

    Kung Fu Tze Skin that Smokewagon !!! Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I think (like most) that he IS guilty... Now his sentence is just speculation at the moment... He might get to fight at the end of the year if the suspension is retro active.
     
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    Proof of Jones’ innocence

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    [​IMG] Blah, blah, blah, which hero of yours did Jon rip through, got you so bitter...
     
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    I hope so or there is some corruption going on.
     
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  9. JonnyBones

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    Cormier had suspicious T/E ratios as well as soon as Cormier results were brought to attention they dismissed both Jons and Cormiers lol.
     
  10. Buff

    Buff Trash Belt Degenerate

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    Standard.

    I hope they drop the cash too... I am really not fussed if they've been smoking crack or injecting horse semen into their buttocks providing we get the best fighters putting on the best fights.
     
  11. acannxr

    acannxr Brown Belt

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    I find it doubtful that money will change CSAC's mind. And your attitude is definitely in poor taste.
     
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    The guest Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Don’t all suspensions go back to the date the fighter was notified they failed the “ A “ test ?
     
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    Forever linked.

    The GOATs who were not.
     
  14. acannxr

    acannxr Brown Belt

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    The deviation between Cormier's ratios was 8% (ten times less than Jones' 80% deviation). Cormier was also 36 years old, while Jones was 27 years old, which is why Jones' levels and deviation are highly suspicious and relevant to the question of his guilt.
     
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    DC's results were not suspicious, but I'm not going to explain it to you, so do your own research.
     
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  18. acannxr

    acannxr Brown Belt

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    None.
     
  19. Buff

    Buff Trash Belt Degenerate

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    Why is my attitude in poor taste? If I wanted to follow a squeaky clean role model I'd be a Sage fan.

    Honestly, I've always been a staunch USADA hater. I don't think this is a serious sport, so I don't think it should be tested like one.
     
  20. The Moloko man

    The Moloko man Brown Belt

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    Has anybody ever compiled a list of fighters that had unusual t/e levels, high lutenizing hormone levels, watery samples etc?

    So far I got

    *jones

    *cormier

    *weidman

    *lawlor
     
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