Evidence of Jones' Guilt

Mohawk Banditó said:
You talking about this bit? Where he supposedly ordered a "tainted drug" that doesn't fully fit what he tested positive for, and on that same order, they're was another order directly for Clomiphene, which is one of the things he did test positive for?
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Ah yes, that's it! Should have read the OP better. I just skimmed it and still nissed it lol.
 
shunyata said:
Jon definately did that shit,

but isn't >80% of the top 20 in every division in every sport at any given time dirty and wasn't there some shit where Cormier's hormone levels were also suspect even though they weren't classified as a positive test?

Point being, yeah he's dirty. The whole game is also dirty.
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Seven of his opponents have popped, now open about usage.
It shouldnt be a mystery whats going on.

He's a target because hes the best I suppose.
 
My favorite part about all this was when UFC paid some random Vegas doctor about “pulsing” and then moved the entire event


Then Jones came in and was so much better than Gus despite his last fight being so competitive


Then proceeds to give horrible fights again

Then a few years later UFC removes USADA to protect Conor
 
acannxr said:
Apr 2012: The drug test results for UFC 145 (headlined by Jones) aren't released to the public; Andy Foster (current CSAC director), who publicly supported Jones' innocence throughout 2017-2018, served as the athletic commission's director in Georgia at the time.


Jan 2015: Greg Howard (who spent a lot of time with Jones to write a comprehensive article on him), reported that Jones was rumored to have hid under the octagon when the drug testers showed up at JacksonWink, prior to the first Cormier fight.

Jones confirmed that he did in fact hide under the octagon to avoid drug testers:


Screenshot of Tweet:
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Keep in mind, marijuana isn't prohibited out of competition, so there would be no reason for Jones hiding from drug testers. And if he did smoke a blunt close enough to fight night, why didn't Jones' test positive for marijuana? Jones' excuse falls apart easily.

Jones has a suspicious T/E ratio that deviates 80% from his previous reading; the UFC-USADA drug program was not in effect at this time.


Mar 2016: Frank Mir, teammate of Jon Jones, fails drug test for Oral Turinabol.

Jun 2016: Jones tests positive for Clomiphene and Letrozole.
  • Jones allegedly claims to have ingested a penis pill.
  • The pill, however, contained a third banned substance, of which Jones did not test positive for.
  • Jones claimed his friend gave him the pill.
  • This friend provided an invoice for the purchase of the pill, and on the same invoice was an order for Clomiphene (one of the two substances Jones was flagged for).
  • Common sense dictates that Jones used a middle-man to purchase his PEDs, and bought the penis pill preemptively as an excuse in case he got caught, but never actually ingested the pill, otherwise the third banned substance would've shown up.
Apr 2017: Frank Mir receives a two year suspension as a first time offender for Oral Turinabol.

Aug 2017: During his FOX interview, Jones slips up and says that he defeated Cormier "off steroids". His silence afterwards says more than any words could.



Jul 2017: Jones tests positive for Oral Turinabol, the same substance teammate Frank Mir tested positive for back in March of 2016.

Feb 2018: During Jones' CSAC hearing, it's discovered that:
  • He failed to report 10 supplements to United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) prior to his performance at UFC 214, despite signing a document that said he did, and that he only disclosed their existence when they were sent to the lab to be tested for banned substances (after his failed drug test).
  • Jones admitted he never watched mandated tutorials provided by USADA in both 2015 and 2016, instead passing them off to his management to take in his place (including having them forge his signature to confirm that he took said tutorials).
Precedent:


Cerrone recently said that JacksonWink's main wrestling coach used to be a junior assistant coach at some no-name college and was fired for selling kids steroids:
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Oct 2017-Jul 2018:

Jones is not tested at any point by USADA.

Sep 2018:

Jones received 4 years, but was able to get his suspension reduced to 15 months as a result of snitching.

Dec 2018:

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite:
12/9/18: 60 pg/ml

NSAC denies Jones a license.

It has been reported that Jones failed an additional three drug tests:
7/28/18: 80 pg/ml
8/29/18: 8 pg/ml
9/18/18: 19 pg/ml


In addition to the above study, the longest detection window given by other experts was no greater than 6 months regarding the M3 metabolite; Jones had it in his system for over 18 months, which would've required a new ingestion of Turinabol and thereby debunked the "pulsing" excuse.

Jan 2019:

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite (through VADA):
12/28/18: 33 pg/ml

Feb 2019

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite:
2/14/19: 40 pg/ml
2/15/19: 20 pg/ml

Oct 2017

Study suggests the M3 metabolite doesn't remain in one's system past 250-300 days, meanwhile Jones was testing positive 543 days after his allegedly single time ingestion, thereby proving that he was ingesting turinabol after his first failed test for it back in 2017:
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With regards to the lack of short-term metabolites in Jones' system:


And the pulsing theory was based on a clomiphene study, and despite Jones having taken clomiphene in the past he never pulsed for that substance.

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Jones allegedly threatens to kill a drug tester, post-USADA:
www.sherdog.com

Police Report: Jon Jones Threatened Drug Testing Agent During Sample Collection

Jon Jones has been accused of assaulting and threatening to kill an agent from Drug Free Sport International (DFSI) at his Albuquerque, New Mexico, home last month.
www.sherdog.com www.sherdog.com
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Jon Jones is the best fighter to ever live.
 
Time to let everyone dogpile on me: Jones is probably not a prolific steroid abuser.

Jones has never bulked up abnormally, or had abnormal power increases, or showed abnormal recovery from physical decline. If he's a serious steroid abuser, he seems to be really bad at it.

His positive tests were 1) attributed to tainted pills by the USADA, 2) for cocaine, 3) given effectively no penalty on appeal, and 4) discarded. Let's take all that at face value without conspiracy theorizing.

What we do know for sure is that Jones is a raging alcoholic and slightly-less-raging coke fiend who's fantastically careless about what he puts in his body. We know that alcoholism and liver disease can cause the same low testosterone problems as cycling off of steroids. We know that Jones has terrible impulse control. All that is enough both to explain his fighting and testing history and to condemn him for being a terrible person who doesn't care about the rules.

Jones is not TRTfort or Ubereem; he's just an alcoholic asshole who doesn't care whether or not he's playing by the rules.
 
RoyJonesJr said:
My favorite part about all this was when UFC paid some random Vegas doctor about “pulsing” and then moved the entire event


Then Jones came in and was so much better than Gus despite his last fight being so competitive


Then proceeds to give horrible fights again

Then a few years later UFC removes USADA to protect Conor
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Then has another great performance against DC and pops again. It's like the risk of cheating was worth it against a legitimate threat.
 
JBJ was here said:
Time to let everyone dogpile on me: Jones is probably not a prolific steroid abuser.

Jones has never bulked up abnormally, or had abnormal power increases, or showed abnormal recovery from physical decline. If he's a serious steroid abuser, he seems to be really bad at it.

His positive tests were 1) attributed to tainted pills by the USADA, 2) for cocaine, 3) given effectively no penalty on appeal, and 4) discarded. Let's take all that at face value without conspiracy theorizing.

What we do know for sure is that Jones is a raging alcoholic and slightly-less-raging coke fiend who's fantastically careless about what he puts in his body. We know that alcoholism and liver disease can cause the same low testosterone problems as cycling off of steroids. We know that Jones has terrible impulse control. All that is enough both to explain his fighting and testing history and to condemn him for being a terrible person who doesn't care about the rules.

Jones is not TRTfort or Ubereem; he's just an alcoholic asshole who doesn't care whether or not he's playing by the rules.
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images.jpeg-11.jpgthis doesn't pass any eye test.
 
Big Tuppy Hole said:
He's a target because of the multiple failed tests and the leniency in his suspensions.
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Everyone is juicing they have since UFC 1 when they were getting paid $500 a fight

The suspensions are made by state athletic commissions. I dont think there is any state-sponsored leniency for jones

But maybe thats why he was kissing trumps ass?
 
icemun said:
Everyone is juicing they have since UFC 1 when they were getting paid $500 a fight

The suspensions are made by state athletic commissions. I dont think there is any state-sponsored leniency for jones

But maybe thats why he was kissing trumps ass?
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Half the game is not getting caught.
 
icemun said:
Seven of his opponents have popped, now open about usage.
It shouldnt be a mystery whats going on.

He's a target because hes the best I suppose.
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Yeah. I mean, most goat candidates all day JJ is #1. Ppl here hate the fact he's the best and most dominant one. But... Yeah, they're just denying the truth because they don't like the fact he is.
 
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