Evidence of Jones' Guilt

I don't think you understand how that works. Not all PEDs boost testosterone, indeed many can have either a dipping of testosterone after peak use, and there is no other plausible explanation other than castration for that could account for the levels of testosterone Jon had. None.


I do understand it, I'm a chemistry dude. Jones' low testosterone is likely due to steroid use suppressing his natural hormone production and the Clomiphene found suggests he was trying to restore it, which explains the abnormal test results.

Clomiphene is a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM) which is commonly used in post-cycle therapy by athletes who have been using steroids. The purpose of it is to stimulate the pituitary gland to release LH and FSH, which in turn stimulate the testes to produce more natural testosterone. The presence of Clomiphene in Jones's test likely suggests he was attempting to jumpstart his natural testosterone production after a possible steroid cycle.
 
There's no proof he took PEDs there outside of the fight it was ruled as a no contest vs DC. He was caught other times, but the fights were cancelled or moved on. Objectively, you can't tell.
"Only one fight was effected by his juicing if you don't count the fights that got canceled or had to be moved to places that don't consider him juicing. Other than getting caught for that one fight and multiple times between fights, we can't just assume he's using all the time"

You are such a simping bitch and should never be listened to about anything again. Keep being pathetic and thank fuck when I say, bye forever
 
I do understand it, I'm a chemistry dude. Jones' low testosterone is likely due to steroid use suppressing his natural hormone production and the Clomiphene found suggests he was trying to restore it, which explains the abnormal test results.

Clomiphene is a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM) which is commonly used in post-cycle therapy by athletes who have been using steroids. The purpose of it is to stimulate the pituitary gland to release LH and FSH, which in turn stimulate the testes to produce more natural testosterone. The presence of Clomiphene in Jones's test likely suggests he was attempting to jumpstart his natural testosterone production after a possible steroid cycle.

Well, then, there you go. His credibility is tarnished. The residual Turinabol indicates former use, as well.
 
I do understand it, I'm a chemistry dude. Jones' low testosterone is likely due to steroid use suppressing his natural hormone production and the Clomiphene found suggests he was trying to restore it, which explains the abnormal test results.

Clomiphene is a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM) which is commonly used in post-cycle therapy by athletes who have been using steroids. The purpose of it is to stimulate the pituitary gland to release LH and FSH, which in turn stimulate the testes to produce more natural testosterone. The presence of Clomiphene in Jones's test likely suggests he was attempting to jumpstart his natural testosterone production after a possible steroid cycle.
If a long term steroid abuser struggles to hold normal T levels, that’s his fuckin problem and his own damn fault. Too bad so sad, pea balls.
 
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Apr 2012: The drug test results for UFC 145 (headlined by Jones) aren't released to the public; Andy Foster (current CSAC director), who publicly supported Jones' innocence throughout 2017-2018, served as the athletic commission's director in Georgia at the time.


Jan 2015: Greg Howard (who spent a lot of time with Jones to write a comprehensive article on him), reported that Jones was rumored to have hid under the octagon when the drug testers showed up at JacksonWink, prior to the first Cormier fight.

Jones confirmed that he did in fact hide under the octagon to avoid drug testers:


Screenshot of Tweet:
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Keep in mind, marijuana isn't prohibited out of competition, so there would be no reason for Jones hiding from drug testers. And if he did smoke a blunt close enough to fight night, why didn't Jones' test positive for marijuana? Jones' excuse falls apart easily.

Jones has a suspicious T/E ratio that deviates 80% from his previous reading; the UFC-USADA drug program was not in effect at this time.


Mar 2016: Frank Mir, teammate of Jon Jones, fails drug test for Oral Turinabol.

Jun 2016: Jones tests positive for Clomiphene and Letrozole.
  • Jones allegedly claims to have ingested a penis pill.
  • The pill, however, contained a third banned substance, of which Jones did not test positive for.
  • Jones claimed his friend gave him the pill.
  • This friend provided an invoice for the purchase of the pill, and on the same invoice was an order for Clomiphene (one of the two substances Jones was flagged for).
  • Common sense dictates that Jones used a middle-man to purchase his PEDs, and bought the penis pill preemptively as an excuse in case he got caught, but never actually ingested the pill, otherwise the third banned substance would've shown up.
Apr 2017: Frank Mir receives a two year suspension as a first time offender for Oral Turinabol.

Aug 2017: During his FOX interview, Jones slips up and says that he defeated Cormier "off steroids". His silence afterwards says more than any words could.



Jul 2017: Jones tests positive for Oral Turinabol, the same substance teammate Frank Mir tested positive for back in March of 2016.

Feb 2018: During Jones' CSAC hearing, it's discovered that:
  • He failed to report 10 supplements to United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) prior to his performance at UFC 214, despite signing a document that said he did, and that he only disclosed their existence when they were sent to the lab to be tested for banned substances (after his failed drug test).
  • Jones admitted he never watched mandated tutorials provided by USADA in both 2015 and 2016, instead passing them off to his management to take in his place (including having them forge his signature to confirm that he took said tutorials).
Precedent:


Cerrone recently said that JacksonWink's main wrestling coach used to be a junior assistant coach at some no-name college and was fired for selling kids steroids:
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Oct 2017-Jul 2018:

Jones is not tested at any point by USADA.

Sep 2018:

Jones received 4 years, but was able to get his suspension reduced to 15 months as a result of snitching.

Dec 2018:

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite:
12/9/18: 60 pg/ml

NSAC denies Jones a license.

It has been reported that Jones failed an additional three drug tests:
7/28/18: 80 pg/ml
8/29/18: 8 pg/ml
9/18/18: 19 pg/ml


In addition to the above study, the longest detection window given by other experts was no greater than 6 months regarding the M3 metabolite; Jones had it in his system for over 18 months, which would've required a new ingestion of Turinabol and thereby debunked the "pulsing" excuse.

Jan 2019:

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite (through VADA):
12/28/18: 33 pg/ml

Feb 2019

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite:
2/14/19: 40 pg/ml
2/15/19: 20 pg/ml

Oct 2017

Study suggests the M3 metabolite doesn't remain in one's system past 250-300 days, meanwhile Jones was testing positive 543 days after his allegedly single time ingestion, thereby proving that he was ingesting turinabol after his first failed test for it back in 2017:
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With regards to the lack of short-term metabolites in Jones' system:


And the pulsing theory was based on a clomiphene study, and despite Jones having taken clomiphene in the past he never pulsed for that substance.

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Jones allegedly threatens to kill a drug tester, post-USADA:



Jones is a joke, what legacy?
 
"Only one fight was effected by his juicing if you don't count the fights that got canceled or had to be moved to places that don't consider him juicing. Other than getting caught for that one fight and multiple times between fights, we can't just assume he's using all the time"

You are such a simping bitch and should never be listened to about anything again. Keep being pathetic and thank fuck when I say, bye forever
Hey there you fucker, I went back and read all the OP, which I had not done before and then I made a reconsideration. At least read the following posts before acting like a bitch
 
"Only one fight was effected by his juicing if you don't count the fights that got canceled or had to be moved to places that don't consider him juicing. Other than getting caught for that one fight and multiple times between fights, we can't just assume he's using all the time"

You are such a simping bitch and should never be listened to about anything again. Keep being pathetic and thank fuck when I say, bye forever
Lol, smh.
 
That is not true. We have seen ample cases of MMA fighters physical aiblity and performance changes considerably with and without PEDs, including TRT but not exclusively: Belfort, Bigfoot, Ellenberger, Shields, Melendez...

I also don't agree with those things that are said of Jones, because his performances after the last time he popped for PEDs were overwhelmingly his worst by a very wide margin.

OSP was at the time considered his least impressive performance, he looked far less active. The Smith performance was also considerably subpar, and then he had two controversial decisions with Santos and Reyes. One split decision, the other one in which the majority believes he lost.
What about his HW performances? He looks way more motivated at least. I think motivation plays a big role in that as well, and maybe he's ingested in high tech training to maximize his training without using PEDs (possible, not factual ). What do you think?
 
Tbh I am totally in for JJ destroying Aspinall so some imbeciles like this Mohawk dude keep seething, as apparently arguing for what I consider more logical hurts him to a point that it seems he has a beef with anyone arguing Jon Jones is the best ever. Let's see when both fight, JJ wins and Mohawk can keep being a sore hater bitching about things when he himself writes well but is overall dumb af

Edit : and he knows he can't keep up in a debate with me because he lacks the ability to keep up and has to go off a tangent whining
 
What about his HW performances? He looks way more motivated at least. I think motivation plays a big role in that as well, and maybe he's ingested in high tech training to maximize his training without using PEDs (possible, not factual ). What do you think?

As I mentioned in a previous post, it's honestly a bit hard to gauge, because Gane barely put up any resistance and was out within a minute. And Stipe looked painfully slow. I dont think Jones looked particularly impressive in either, but his opponents looked exceptionally bad. Not just because Jon made them look bad; Gane looked lost in grappling, and Stipe looked slow and powerless beyond belief. We'll see, I think Aspinall is seriously overrated so Jones could win.
 
What about his HW performances? He looks way more motivated at least. I think motivation plays a big role in that as well, and maybe he's ingested in high tech training to maximize his training without using PEDs (possible, not factual ). What do you think?
I'll tell you a little secret, Jon has never not used PED's.
 
As I mentioned in a previous post, it's honestly a bit hard to gauge, because Gane barely put up any resistance and was out within a minute. And Stipe looked painfully slow. I dont think Jones looked particularly impressive in either, but his opponents looked exceptionally bad. Not just because Jon made them look bad; Gane looked lost in grappling, and Stipe looked slow and powerless beyond belief. We'll see, I think Aspinall is seriously overrated so Jones could win.
But it's curious because I would think it'd be harder to get takedowns on Gane and Miocic mainly because they are way bigger than Reyes. Reyes wasn't a wrestler. Sure, he practiced take down defenses, but the fact Jiri even got the best of him on wrestling shows he isn't that good. Jon Jones struggled to take Reyes down and when he did, he couldn't keep him on the ground... He took Gane down and Gane couldn't get up, and he dropped Miocic like nothing, I mean, it was an excellent judo thrown, but those are wrestling effectiveness that I'd say should be harder to accomplish vs those heavy weight guys... I think it shows Jon Jones is more explosive and technical in his wrestling as well. Some may say he's taking PEDs again due to USADA being gone, but who knows. But he didn't seem slow vs Stipe to me, he ate a few punches, but one of them was in a clinch situation, and the other landed clean, but the right hand that Stipe got in in the third round was a quick set up... Jon Jones kicks seemed fast and he seemed in both fights less hesitant and just almost finishing both in the first round like vintage JJ, as Aspinall said, for the first round...
 
I'll tell you a little secret, Jon has never not used PED's.
Yeah I agree with you, he has definitely used drugs that enhance his performance. Idk tho if they would have a lasting effect, tolerance is also created for those substances. He had to back up a lot of his it with his skills and fight IQ as well. And even in his bad performances, he still finished LHW winning... And has had two dominant performances in HW. I agree that there is a stain in his fighting career due to PEDs, but fighters like Khabib and GSP said openly that Jon Jones is #1 (Khabib had JJ and Fedor tied as #1 of all times).

And ok, he likely used PEDs, but he dominated some fighters who clearly used it in even bigger amounts, like Vitor Belfort... And Chael Sonnen openly admitted he was full in PEDs vs Jon Jones. I understand whoever doesn't consider him within the best, but I'm going with what fighters actually say, khabib and GSP say he is #1. Tom Asoinall said he doesn't put him as the GOAT due to PEDs, but he still wouldn't put him any lower than #2, with GSP being #1... So yeah.
 
You need to get your head checked, before trying to sound intelligent with a litany of sarcastic rhetorical questions that fill in a wall of text.

Learn how to address others without behaving like a petulant child, and then maybe you can have a conversation with people.
I can’t do anything for the ache try Vagisil buddy
 
I don't think you understand how that works. Not all PEDs boost testosterone, indeed many can have either a dipping of testosterone after peak use, and there is no other plausible explanation other than castration for that could account for the levels of testosterone Jon had. None.


I’ve seen you go from person to person desperately seeking an argument and desperately seeking someone to validate your bemoaning. Very few are engaging you because you’re a dullard. You like to talk as if you’re something vastly more intelligent and engaging than your boring ass is and I think you should probably find a girlfriend
 
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