Opinion Elon Musk says FEMA sent $59M last week to luxury NYC hotels to house illegal migrants. Edit: see bottom of the OPs

[sickc0d3r]

He didn't lie about the money. He was wrong about it being illegal. It was legally allowed which I knew. The point of even the 665M was a result of the millions that came across under the previous administration. Putting the people up at the Roosevelt is also a mismanagement of the funds. When the budget continues to be trimmed I'm going to be nothing but happy over it. The 665M should have never happened. You were telling me it was texas fault on the 59... well... whose fault is the 665?

It's fine to disagree with this policy--and I think we should all agree that the real problem here is TOO MANY migrants entering our country (and I approve of Trump cracking down on the border and ejecting criminals immediately, by the way)--but, since Musk made this claim, we need to at least try to understand what fema does to assist states with homeless migrants:

Who Gets Reimbursed Through the Shelter and Services Program?

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In Fiscal Years 2023 and 2024, the Shelter and Services Program provided reimbursements to state and local governments and nonprofits in 35 different communities around the nation, including in the border states of Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas, and inside the country in Colorado, the District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania.

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There is no truth to the claims that FEMA is using money intended for disasters for the Shelter and Services Program or for any migrant-related support. The Shelter and Services Program is a separate line item in the federal budget and does not draw from FEMA’s Disaster Relief Fund. Since 2019, Congress has authorized 140 times more funding for the Disaster Relief Program ($243.8 billion) than it has authorized for the Shelter and Services Program ($1.7 billion).

In this case, New York City's right-to-shelter laws require the city to provide shelter to anyone who's homeless. It has historically used hotels for this purpose. As you can see, Congress approves the funds for Shelter and Services, and the funds are separate from disaster relief funding.

So, we know that Trump has been pushing the narrative that fema is incompetent or whatever, and now Musk comes along and claims they're illegally funding migrants in NY to the tune of $59M--which the Mayor of NY corrected, it is actually $19M of that total--and there's no mention from Musk of the assistance provided to other states for the same purpose. In another post he said that FEMA took the money away from disaster relief.

In other words, he's either deliberately lying to push the narrative, or DOGE is incompetent and doesn't know what the fuck they're looking at. I'm not sure which is worse, but I think at this point we can fairly say that anything Musk tells us needs to be taken with an entire shaker of salt. We can only assume we're not getting the truth at least until we are able to research his claims.

 

[Mr Holmes]

In fact in many areas of the new sections illegal crossings have since increased in areas we used to not have to police because we built roads and other infrastructure into otherwise uninhabited desert. Now they migrants can use the walls and roads built as a guide.

Lol, sure. You're complaining something that wasn't finished didn't work and correlation doesn't equal causation.

 

[AWilder]

In fact in many areas of the new sections illegal crossings have since increased in areas we used to not have to police because we built roads and other infrastructure into otherwise uninhabited desert. Now they migrants can use the walls and roads built as a guide.

What other countries have successfully built thousands of miles of walls?

China

 

[Rational Poster]

Lol, sure. You're complaining something that wasn't finished didn't work and correlation doesn't equal causation.

But Trump claimed it was working.

Remarks by President Trump at the 45th Mile of New Border Wall | Reynosa-McAllen, TX – The White House

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"I kept my promises. And today we celebrate an extraordinary milestone: the completion of the promised 450 miles of border wall. … You have some areas that are virtually impossible to get by. So we didn’t need walls everywhere, but… in every region that we’ve built the wall, illegal crossings and drug smuggling have plummeted. … One of the big elements of the wall that make it so successful is we can have far fewer people working."

Also I accept your concession that no other country actually has a border wall like the US does.

 

[Cajun]

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He did lie about the money though, he said $59 million was spent last week on luxury hotels and that's not true at all.

Its no one's fault in regards to the $665 million because nothing wrong was done in approving and dispersing those funds or at least nothing wrong has been demonstrated by Musk so far.

He was looking st payments. The payment may have been made but the approval was further back. I'd have to dig deeper. Elon is only seeing payments and not the background either. The 665M was necessary due to the lack of enforcement overall. The need was created and congress acted.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

It’s not illegal to seek asylum. I didn’t hear him advocating for people to come in illegally.

You, and all leftists, need to update your talkingpoints because AOC isn't a reliable source.

It is illegal to seek asylum after the immigrant already entered illegally.

That's why we have multiple ports of entry for them to do so.

Obtaining Asylum in the United States | USCIS

ALERT: Court Order on Circumvention of Lawful Pathways Final Rule On Aug

www.uscis.gov

The asylum court can only process 60K immigrants a year. The Biden administration purposely instructed illegals to claim they seek asylum to overwhelm that process.

 

[AWilder]

He was looking st payments. The payment may have been made but the approval was further back. I'd have to dig deeper. Elon is only seeing payments and not the background either. The 665M was necessary due to the lack of enforcement overall. The need was created and congress acted.

he lied. Is it so hard for you to admit that this is a bold faced lie?

every single sentence is a lie through omission, at best, or just a flat out lie.

 

[Cajun]

It's fine to disagree with this policy--and I think we should all agree that the real problem here is TOO MANY migrants entering our country (and I approve of Trump cracking down on the border and ejecting criminals immediately, by the way)--but, since Musk made this claim, we need to at least try to understand what fema does to assist states with homeless migrants:

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In this case, New York City's right-to-shelter laws require the city to provide shelter to anyone who's homeless. It has historically used hotels for this purpose. As you can see, Congress approves the funds for Shelter and Services, and the funds are separate from disaster relief funding.

So, we know that Trump has been pushing the narrative that fema is incompetent or whatever, and now Musk comes along and claims they're illegally funding migrants in NY to the tune of $59M--which the Mayor of NY corrected, it is actually $19M of that total--and there's no mention from Musk of the assistance provided to other states for the same purpose. In another post he said that FEMA took the money away from disaster relief.

In other words, he's either deliberately lying to push the narrative, or DOGE is incompetent and doesn't know what the fuck they're looking at. I'm not sure which is worse, but I think at this point we can fairly say that anything Musk tells us needs to be taken with an entire shaker of salt. We can only assume we're not getting the truth at least until we are able to research his claims.

Yes the money was allocated based on the issues with so many coming across. I agreed that the money was legit. Musk is only seeing payouts. Not the origination of the funds. If Trump did put a freeze and the payment made after then that's a thing but have to see more.

 

[Cajun]

he lied. Is it so hard for you to admit that this is a bold faced lie?

every single sentence is a lie through omission, at best, or just a flat out lie.

He is only seeing payments. Its why I also agreed. The people apparently were fired after paying this which means it likely was paid last week after Trump put a freeze on it. The 59M payment was there. It is supposed to be disaster relief but congress opened it up (ssp) to include migrants which is why it was allocated to Fema.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Yes the money was allocated based on the issues with so many coming across. I agreed that the money was legit. Musk is only seeing payouts. Not the origination of the funds. If Trump did put a freeze and the payment made after then that's a thing but have to see more.

Ok, let's say Musk is on the up and up and only seeing part of the picture, then why is he running to the internet to tell everyone he found waste, illegal activity, and misappropriated disaster relief funds when he doesn't have all of the information? What possible reason might he have to start messaging like that without being certain? You know the answer as well as I do.

 

[Cajun]

Add this to the OP -

Cheers man. It looks like they paid out the amount after the freeze.

 

[AWilder]

He is only seeing payments. Its why I also agreed. The people apparently were fired after paying this which means it likely was paid last week after Trump put a freeze on it. The 59M payment was there. It is supposed to be disaster relief but congress opened it up (ssp) to include migrants which is why it was allocated to Fema.

the only true statement of musks post is that a payment was made. all of the context is a lie. and you still can't admit that this man lied to your face? made you copy and paste his lie and spread it on the internet?

 

[HereticBD]

You know the answer as well as I do.

Sure do, but who cares? Are you arguing that the Dems are any better? They had you guys believing that Trump was compromised over Russian piss tapes for God's sake.

You don't get to complain about controlling the narrative.

 

[Islam Imamate]

He was looking st payments. The payment may have been made but the approval was further back. I'd have to dig deeper. Elon is only seeing payments and not the background either. The 665M was necessary due to the lack of enforcement overall. The need was created and congress acted.

He was wrong about the timeframe of the payments and what the money was spent on. He said $59 million last week for luxury hotels when that figure was dispersed over a wider timeframe for a variety of expenses. Its a misleading way to frame the money allocated so as to increase support for what he's doing.

Elon is gutting the federal government so I'm not going to forgive him for such egregious errors and in fact I'm going to assume he's lying when he makes egregious errors that happen to support the narrative he's pushing.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

This guy basically is YouTube's Sean Hannity, but no news he's broken has been false.

 

[Cajun]

He was wrong about the timeframe of the payments and what the money was spent on. He said $59 million last week for luxury hotels when that figure was dispersed over a wider timeframe for a variety of expenses. Its a misleading way to frame the money allocated so as to increase support for what he's doing.

Elon is gutting the federal government so I'm not going to forgive him for such egregious errors and in fact I'm going to assume he's lying when he makes egregious errors that happen to support the narrative he's pushing.

Assume what you like. The housing is the major part of the payment as fema is shelter and services piece. I don't know how anyone can be fired if something was paid under the previous administration as opposed to the Trump freeze.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Sure do, but who cares? Are you arguing that the Dems are any better? They had you guys believing that Trump was compromised over Russian piss tapes for God's sake.

You don't get to complain about controlling the narrative.

I suppose anyone who thinks the goal is actually to find and eliminate government waste should care that they've done nothing but lie so far.
And anyone who might be a little skeptical of a billionaire foreigner and his travelling hot pocket hacker squad rummaging through our government systems might care that they apparently either don't know what they're doing, or are deliberately misleading people.

I didn't mention democrats (or republicans for that matter), not sure why you're inventing an argument I didn't make. Other than that's your M.O., I mean.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Assume what you like. The housing is the major part of the payment as fema is shelter and services piece.

It wasn't just paid last week though was it? And even in regards to shelter payments the vast majority of the shelters are not luxury hotels.

I don't know how anyone can be fired if something was paid under the previous administration as opposed to the Trump freeze.

Really? Musk and Trump have said many times they want to gut the bureaucracy, is it hard to believe that they'd use a trumped up excuse(pun intended) to fire federal bureaucrats?

 

[Cajun]

It was just paid last week though was it? And even in regards to shelter payments the vast majority of the shelters are not luxury hotels.

Really? Musk and Trump have said many times they want to gut the bureaucracy, is it hard to believe that they'd use a trumped up excuse(pun intended) to fire federal bureaucrats?

Looks like paid after Trump's freeze. And you are correct two hotels are mainly being used. The others are govt owned like schools etc. The hotels would obviously be the biggest expense in terms of housing. They don't need an excuse to let someone go as President. But yeah looks like the payment was made after Trump put the freeze.

 

[Islam Imamate]

This guy basically is YouTube's Sean Hannity, but no news he's broken has been false.

Isn't Benny Johnson one of the Tenet media guys who was being bankrolled by Russia?