Elections Elizabeth Warren likely is running for President

I would have no problem believing that they never met, and I certainly have no problem believing John Lewis doesn't recall meeting some field organizer 60 years ago. Anyone seriously trying to ascribe insidious motives to Lewis, who is about as no nonsense a guy who has ever entered politics, was looking to drive a wedge or whine unnecessarily as far as I'm concerned.



No, I'm not. But I think a picture of them 40 feet away has the same value as a picture of then 20 feet away (or a picture of them together 60 years later): absolutely none at all. So I'll trust the word of the persons themselves. If Sanders said they met and Lewis said he didn't remember meeting him, I'll presume that they met and that Lewis doesn't remember it.

But that wasn't what Lewis was implying in that statement which was given after a very specific question from a reporter about Bernie's civil rights work - 'I never met Sanders, ...... I've met Bill and Hillary Clinton'

The implication is that Bill and Hillary were some sort of civil rights activists (certainly more so than Bernie) that Lewis had known from back in the day - clearly not the case.
 
It's a pretty bad call. The right will attack any opponent and it's up to us voters to cut through what are real problems with candidates and what's bullshit.

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Right or wrong, I'm telling you that perception is reality and just as much as Obama won for being the cool candidate; IMHO, that I believe Warren will be knocked by the voting public for being a punchline.
 
Right or wrong, I'm telling you that perception is reality and just as much as Obama won for being the cool candidate; IMHO, that I believe Warren will be knocked by the voting public for being a punchline.
Perception for whom, though?
 
For everyone. Don't tell me you've never heard the 'who'd you rather have a beer with' test.
Of course I have. Do you really think she's unlikable because of this stuff?

I also think I disagree with your take on Obama. Being cool definitely helps but he was more than that. And Trump is very unlikable and won. That view is too simplistic.
 
I am putting on my feathers and bearskin and heading to the campaign headquarters! I will bring my hammer and sickle.

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Not to my knowledge either. The most dubious part I get from the history is labeling yourself as such in years gone. Once you're getting labeled as Native American for thinking you have a distant ancestor, while true, is the part that doesn't feel right. I mean you yourself have to know you're not actually Native American, you have a Native American ancestor. These two don't classify the same way, so why go along for the ride as if you are Native American all those years? Then drop it later on like you know or realized it wasn't right? I dunno about that part. The rest is overblown, but during that timeline it reads more like "this will work better than saying I am a white woman with a NA ancestor" when presenting herself. I've grown tired quickly of half-truth tellers so I think this hit a nerve with me.

I'm in reverse. I think she is the best policy-wise of all candidates, but this random stuff has soured me. I agree she has been otherwise clean and I wouldn't really prefer any other candidate that will run.

That's pretty much my only issue with her is the military spending. I was surprised to find out she actually agreed with Trump's decision to pull out of Syria and Afghan so that's another + for her.
 
Liz getting lambasted for this tweet lol.



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Of course I have. Do you really think she's unlikable because of this stuff?

I also think I disagree with your take on Obama. Being cool definitely helps but he was more than that. And Trump is very unlikable and won. That view is too simplistic.

The criteria is more likeable - who'd you'd rather have a beer with. Even those that voted for Clinton didn't believe her "just like you" schtick.

Trump had to be more likeable than Jeb, Cruz, Christie and Rubio - in theory Kasich, but he was viewed as tougher than Kasich.

Warren has to get through her primary without being a punchline. And whether you like it or not, a lot of those shirts and others like it are being sold.
 
Liz getting lambasted for this tweet lol.



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Yea that was a dumb move by her. 7,000 people without pay so she donates it to people completely unrelated to the issue. Instead of you know the people she herself just said would need money.
 
The criteria is more likeable - who'd you'd rather have a beer with. Even those that voted for Clinton didn't believe her "just like you" schtick.

Trump had to be more likeable than Jeb, Cruz, Christie and Rubio - in theory Kasich, but he was viewed as tougher than Kasich.

Warren has to get through her primary without being a punchline. And whether you like it or not, a lot of those shirts and others like it are being sold.
Yes, got it. My point is that while likability is certainly a factor it's hardly the only thing that matters. And likability is very subjective. Trump is an asshole, but certain types of people love him. However, overall he's hated.

Just one of a million examples we can use is the upcoming election. Let's assume no major wars or recession but Dems put up a really likable candidate (using the who'd you'd rather have a beer with criteria) do you think Trump loses? Isn't still basically a coin flip or slightly in Trump's favor? I think it is and that illustrates that the view is simplistic. Not disagreeing with you here though, but it's overblown. Also, there's a shit ton of time from now until the primary and this NA thing could blow over. Memes only go so far.
 
So the results of the DNA test which confirm what she actually said - that she had a Native American ancestor - make you believe she's a liar. Presumably just on a hunch of sort. Great stuff.



Yes, her parents made up recipes and family lore and passed them along to their child because they saw that their child had high cheek bones. You are accurately representing the bases on which she heard she was part-Native.



Well...duh.

The ahh results of a DNA test that can’t/won’t even link her to the tribe she “believed incorrectly” she was from that came back as being possibly 1/1024 NA.....Yes, she was certainly proven correct, awesome stuff

I know communism melts the brain, but damn
 
Yes, got it. My point is that while likability is certainly a factor it's hardly the only thing that matters. And likability is very subjective. Trump is an asshole, but certain types of people love him. However, overall he's hated.

Just one of a million examples we can use is the upcoming election. Let's assume no major wars or recession but Dems put up a really likable candidate (using the who'd you'd rather have a beer with criteria) do you think Trump loses? Isn't still basically a coin flip or slightly in Trump's favor? I think it is and that illustrates that the view is simplistic. Not disagreeing with you here though, but it's overblown. Also, there's a shit ton of time from now until the primary and this NA thing could blow over. Memes only go so far.

I think Warren beats Trump if she gets out of the primary, but I believe the dems could run nearly any moderate and win easily.
 
Liz getting lambasted for this tweet lol.



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Let me ahhh get a beer? Hey hun you want a beer?

...Completely natural and organic

So her constituents take a back seat to refugees somewhere on the other side of world, I get helping them...but put your people first Warren
 
The criteria is more likeable - who'd you'd rather have a beer with. Even those that voted for Clinton didn't believe her "just like you" schtick.

Trump had to be more likeable than Jeb, Cruz, Christie and Rubio - in theory Kasich, but he was viewed as tougher than Kasich.

Warren has to get through her primary without being a punchline. And whether you like it or not, a lot of those shirts and others like it are being sold.


Lols..

"Who would you like to have a beer with more!"

Warren?

Or the guy who doesn't drink...
 
Lols..

"Who would you like to have a beer with more!"

Warren?

Or the guy who doesn't drink...

Are you on Warren's PR staff? She apparently took it literally too.
 
And yet Trump was a democrat until Obama became the nominee and the whole Birther movement started among Hillary supporters. Doesn't that at least show that white racists have been in the democratic party a lot longer then you guys always claim? (perhaps even a few still left)
Trump was a democrat long ago.

No the Birther movement did not start with Hillary supporters, it was created by *one* Hillary Jewish American supporter. The Democrats denounced it and the base never supported it. The rightwing base quickly jumped onto it and made it their own. The rightwing is the one who really propagated it far and wide. More than anyone else Trump popularized it and made it a national talking point . He became a GOP political figure because of Birtherism. He rose to prominence amongst the rightwing grassroots by pushing this racist theory, which then allowed him to attain enough persona and political presence to run for the presidency.
 
Trump was a democrat long ago.

No the Birther movement did not start with Hillary supporters, it was created by *one* Hillary Jewish American supporter. The Democrats denounced it and the base never supported it. The rightwing base quickly jumped onto it and made it their own. The rightwing is the one who really propagated it far and wide. More than anyone else Trump popularized it and made it a national talking point . He became a GOP political figure because of Birtherism. He rose to prominence amongst the rightwing grassroots by pushing this racist theory, which then allowed him to attain enough persona and political presence to run for the presidency.

It had a small fringe group of support on the left during the primaries, but it wasn't "denounced" and it wasn't a single person.

You're correct that the right jumped on it and ran like crazy, but Trump was a minor figure on the right at the time, evidenced by the fact that he decided not to try and compete against Romney in '12. Oh, and was actually finally urged to run by none other than Bill Clinton.
 
It had a small fringe group of support on the left during the primaries, but it wasn't "denounced" and it wasn't a single person.

You're correct that the right jumped on it and ran like crazy, but Trump was a minor figure on the right at the time, evidenced by the fact that he decided not to try and compete against Romney in '12. Oh, and was actually finally urged to run by none other than Bill Clinton.
I do not recal the birther movement getting any traction at all or any support by the Dems, just that 1 guy peddling it. Clinton distanced herself from it . If there was ever more than 1 guy supporting it, it was merely an insignificant handful which -for all intents and purposes- amounts to nothing.

Trump became a national political fixture, especially a rightwing political fixture , because of Birtherism. I was following the birther movement on the right, and noticed that Trump was a nobody until he latched onto it, then the WND and Free Republic type of rightwingers made him a rightwing celebrity. It was Trump's entrance into the Birther theory arena that forced Obama to address the issue and release his B.C.
 
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