Electrical college vs popular vote

[VivaRevolution]

America is out of date. This system of arbitrarily assigning each state a random amount of votes like some kind of game show is hyper retarded and archaic. Get with the rest of the world or even commen sense already.

I think Hillary should have went to electrical college instead of running for president.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

It is designed to prevent small highly populated areas from running the country. While they get more votes because they have more people the other states can still out vote them by getting getting together.

So its bad if people in cities votes matter but somehow not bad if a tiny group of rural people can have their votes matter more due to cronyist institutions?

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

And personally I think electricians make the best statesmen.

 

[11_others]

If I had three kids and two of were in a smaller room I'm still listening to them over the kid whos voting to go to Chucky cheese

Stay away from analogies from now on. Not your sweet spot.

 

[steelcity77]

She didn't actually that's my point

she did actually .. watch on january 20th

 

[Blackened]

First one to catch it? Nice.

 

[Blackened]

As it turns out, you are correct.

Canada does have an Electrical College.

It's probably better than the popular vote.

 

[xcvbn]

I'll take the electoral college and all of the dicksucking electors.

It's easier to burn down the homes of 550 electors than a couple hundred million mob rulers.

 

[the ambush]

From the two choices I pick electoral college.

 

[Cmart]

Looks like the Russians hacked clippy's poll.

 

[Arkain2K]

First one to catch it? Nice.

I'm rather disappointed that it went to page 2 before we finally have an on-topic discussion.

Next issue: Neutral grounds in Electrical Colleges.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Only an idiot, with no exposure to (or understanding of) reality, thinks that a pure, popular democracy is a good idea.

 

[Deleted member 499399]

If it was popular vote, the California and NY republicans wouldn't have stayed at home knowing their vote probably wouldn't even be officially counted.

I think this is the number one reason to change the system. The Electoral College discourages voting to many who feel thier vote won't be counted. There is a reason why voter turnout is higher in swing states.

 

[oldshadow]

So its bad if people in cities votes matter but somehow not bad if a tiny group of rural people can have their votes matter more due to cronyist institutions?

That's not how it works.

More people in the state does get you more votes but one, two or even three states cannot control the whole country.

We are a nation of states and to remain United our government was set up to recognize that. This helps prevent ripping the country apart physically.

If you are an American you should have learned that in school.

 

[oldshadow]

I think this is the number one reason to change the system. The Electoral College discourages voting to many who feel thier vote won't be counted. There is a reason why voter turnout is higher in swing states.

Their being stupid and lazy then.

Also if they don't understand the how and why of the system so maybe they should stay home.

My home state went Hillary but my are went Trump and I knew that was the most likely the outcome before I voted.

However I voted because I understand the system and why it is in place.

If kids are not understanding our system and why by the time they are old enough to vote then we need to fix this.

 

[Cmart]

Hillary won California by 4 million votes, and lost Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Michigan by a total of about a quarter million. Bye bye election.

Not to give liberals any ideas, but if a half million California liberals moved to each of FL, WI, OH, and MI, we'd lose the next election.

You can concentrate your population into California if you want, Democrats, you still only get 55 electoral votes. A little silly to do that and then bitch about winning the popular vote and losing the election, though.

 

[BKMMAFAN]

It is designed to prevent small highly populated areas from running the country.

This is wrong. Read the Federalist Papers # 68 if you want to get into the minds of the Founders on what the Electoral College was designed to do (and prevent).

"It was desirable that the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the person to whom so important a trust was to be confided. This end will be answered by committing the right of making it, not to any preestablished body, but to men chosen by the people for the special purpose, and at the particular conjuncture.

...

Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations."

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp

If anything, the elitist overtones of the desire for an electoral college would favor population centers over rural areas. The electoral college was designed so that the educated elites could prevent a terrible popular demagogue from attaining the Presidency.

 

[oldshadow]

This is wrong. Read the Federalist Papers # 68 if you want to get into the minds of the Founders on what the Electoral College was designed to do (and prevent).

"It was desirable that the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the person to whom so important a trust was to be confided. This end will be answered by committing the right of making it, not to any preestablished body, but to men chosen by the people for the special purpose, and at the particular conjuncture.

...

Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations."

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp

If anything, the elitist overtones of the desire for an electoral college would favor population centers over rural areas. The electoral college was designed so that the educated elites could prevent a terrible popular demagogue from attaining the Presidency.

And you only got part 1 and missed part 2 of the reason.

The electoral college is also part of compromises made at the convention to satisfy the small states. Under the system of the Electoral College each state had the same number of electoral votes as they have representative in Congress, thus no state could have less then 3. The result of this system is that in this election the state of Wyoming cast about 210,000 votes, and thus each elector represented 70,000 votes, while in California approximately 9,700,000 votes were cast for 54 votes, thus representing 179,000 votes per electorate. Obviously this creates an unfair advantage to voters in the small states whose votes actually count more then those people living in medium and large states.

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

It was for both reasons and now the second is even more important.

 

[bufetadanacara]

If the leader is representing citizens then the popular vote makes sense to me. If the leader is representing sovereign states then the EC is a wonderful compromise between population and each state being its own entity.

Nah, most people with common sense and some know-how prefer to live away from cities, live closer to clean air and water where they can hunt and fish and farm in peace.

We don't want a bunch of citiots dictating what we can and cannot do.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

if the kid who wanted to go to chuck E cheese was hilary Im sure your opinion would change

Of all the absurd combinations of words I've read this morning, this was the first to make me laugh out loud.

I like it so much, I'm going to use it.
And somebody will say, "WTF?"
And I won't be able to explain it.