International El Salvador brutal crackdown on crime

[cottagecheesefan]

Pretty informative video here. Didn't realize they used an emergency order to temp suspend certain rights such as right to lawyer, needing a warrant for arrest, etc.

 

[Project 2501]

Anyone who has a mere grain of sympathy for these pieces of shit should be incarcerated with them. Bukele is doing his country and the whole of latin america VERY VERY proud. I wish the Mexican government had some fucking balls and would annihilate the cartels. The only assholes complaining and whining about this are people in their ivory towers who have never spent a minute with these monsters. He is by far and large, the best leader in Latin America in the 21st century. Amazing. Ten years ago I even questioned what was the point of El Salvador's existence anymore and should just be annexed by another bigger country just in order to get some sense of control. I hope this leads to El Salvador becoming a developed country and puts everyone and it's leaders to shame.

 

[Mr Holmes]

In this case it seems that the gang members were young when they arrived here after fleeing the civil war, grew up in rough neighborhoods and ended up starting the gang, then got deported back as adults. So while they are Salvadoran nationals they seem to have had little connection to El Salvador before being deported back. Could you imagine Bloods or Crips being deported to some fragile African country with little to no law and order? They'd take over the parliament in six weeks.

I guess that could all be true, but are supposed to do with them? I don't think we should grant citizenship because we think the person is too much of a danger to their homeland.

 

[grimballer]

this is gonna trigger usual suspects who defend criminals

 

[Siver!]

Any jail time is better than no jail time.



So the government brings the hammer down on them too, and gives them no quarter. Makes the society as whole question the whole "joining a gang" thing.



You're only "theoretically doubting" the approach, because being hard on crime doesn't fit your worldview. You never "theoretically doubt" soft on crime proposals. You stand up for them.



Bottom line is that it has had a positive impact on homicide rates. You want to ignore that, and pray that it somehow backfires, because my God, it might prove that being hard on violent criminals actually works, as opposed to your idiotic hippy dippy ideology's "solution" to crime, which is to do nothing at all, because everyone is a human being maaaan.

Fuck off.

Did you manage to track down the posts where I stood up for 'soft on crime' proposals?

 

[nicapica]

Every single El Salvadoreño that has traveled to El Salvador recently 100% supports this dude. They are sick and tired of the maras terrorizing the population.

 

[Edmond_Dantes]

Every single El Salvadoreño that has traveled to El Salvador recently 100% supports this dude. They are sick and tired of the maras terrorizing the population.

aren't you from Salvador or that area? what can you tell us about this?

 

[Edmond_Dantes]

this is gonna trigger usual suspects who defend criminals

and their solution? Do nothing. Things are fine.

 

[nicapica]

aren't you from Salvador or that area? what can you tell us about this?

Im from Nicaragua and there isn’t really any maras or the crazy crimes you see in other countries do to the iron fist the Sandinistas hold on the country or maybe cultural differences because we have never had crime like that. I just came back last week and felt completely safe even in major cities like Granada where I was wandering the streets drunk in the middle of the night.

My buddies from El Salvador and Honduras have told me how much it sucks to travel there like having to pay armed guards to go out in public, having to hide money in your balls and socks when you have to go down the street to the corner store. Idk about you but that’s no way for anyone to live even in poor countries.

 

[Edmond_Dantes]

Im from Nicaragua and there isn’t really any maras or the crazy crimes you see in other countries do to the iron fist the Sandinistas hold on the country or maybe cultural differences because we have never had crime like that. I just came back last week and felt completely safe even in major cities like Granada where I was wandering the streets drunk in the middle of the night.

My buddies from El Salvador and Honduras have told me how much it sucks to travel there like having to pay armed guards to go out in public, having to hide money in your balls and socks when you have to go down the street to the corner store. Idk about you but that’s no way for anyone to live even in poor countries.

thanks for sharing.

so you're saying most of your friends support this government action? that speaks volumes for had things must have gotten.

 

[Broke Lester]

I dont have any love for gangs, but i also dont have any love for authoritarianism.

Agreed but the problem is that if you don't get authoritative with the gangs then they'll become the authority. Gotta do what's best for the majority.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I guess that could all be true, but are supposed to do with them? I don't think we should grant citizenship because we think the person is too much of a danger to their homeland.

We could've locked them up but that comes with its own problems. That's besides the point though, I was originally just pointing out that this gang originates in America since the public discourse on them tends to frame them as a foreign gang so sometimes its worth reminding people of their origin.

 

[Siver!]

Im from Nicaragua and there isn’t really any maras or the crazy crimes you see in other countries do to the iron fist the Sandinistas hold on the country or maybe cultural differences because we have never had crime like that. I just came back last week and felt completely safe even in major cities like Granada where I was wandering the streets drunk in the middle of the night.

My buddies from El Salvador and Honduras have told me how much it sucks to travel there like having to pay armed guards to go out in public, having to hide money in your balls and socks when you have to go down the street to the corner store. Idk about you but that’s no way for anyone to live even in poor countries.

That's interesting, I didn't know Nicaragua was considered 'safe'.

I know a lot of Europeans travel to Mexico, but everything seems to be based almost entirely in sanitised resorts/compounds. El Salvador and Honduras, I wouldn't think of going there.

Good for Nicaragua. The Sandanistas being a socialist political party, right?

 

[grimballer]

and their solution? Do nothing. Things are fine.

or just blame it on economic or environmental racism

 

[Broke Lester]

[

It's way more risk for relatively little reward when you're committing crimes to survive.

I agree with that personally, but then explain why, in all corners of the world, every minute a crime takes place? You see those fuck-ups in the pics? You can put them anywhere on the planet, they can come from wealthy families, have multiple life altering opportunities and still find a way to end up exactly where they currently are. Cause they're undisciplined fuck-ups.

 

[tdluxon]

Bukele is the biggest gangster of them all, this is just one criminal imprisoning others to consolidate power

 

[LMP]

Agreed but the problem is that if you don't get authoritative with the gangs then they'll become the authority. Gotta do what's best for the majority.

Short term gains more long term issues. The El Salvador Civil War was a war against corrupt capitalism and an authoritarian government. After the civil war the US allowed people from El Salvador to enter. Those that could not find work formed and joined MS13. When the US would send the gang members to prison they would immediately send the gang members back to El Salvador. This created the drug and gang problem in the country. The wealthy would continue to use the military and police for private protection while hoarding the wealth. The gangs were then able to set up and have free reign over the poor.

During the civil war the US sided with the government out of fears the country would go communist. The US helped train the El Salvador military. Then the government used the military as death squads. This new stance by the government to strip the power and rights of the people is a call back to that time and is very worrisome.

 

[RogerB08]

[

I agree with that personally, but then explain why, in all corners of the world, every minute a crime takes place? You see those fuck-ups in the pics? You can put them anywhere on the planet, they can come from wealthy families, have multiple life altering opportunities and still find a way to end up exactly where they currently are. Cause they're undisciplined fuck-ups.

If they come from wealthy families, they commit their crimes from an office. If you rob someone with a gun your labeled a criminal; if you wear expensive suits and use complex financial instruments they call you a prodigy.

 

[Broke Lester]

Short term gains more long term issues. The El Salvador Civil War was a war against corrupt capitalism and an authoritarian government. After the civil war the US allowed people from El Salvador to enter. Those that could not find work formed and joined MS13. When the US would send the gang members to prison they would immediately send the gang members back to El Salvador. This created the drug and gang problem in the country. The wealthy would continue to use the military and police for private protection while hoarding the wealth. The gangs were then able to set up and have free reign over the poor.

During the civil war the US sided with the government out of fears the country would go communist. The US helped train the El Salvador military. Then the government used the military as death squads. This new stance by the government to strip the power and rights of the people is a call back to that time and is very worrisome.

You see this is where you lose me, it's written as if that is the norm. So in fact, those who didn't try hard enough, those who didn't create jobs for themselves, those who were unwilling to start doing the worst jobs and work their way up by proving their worth, turned to a life of hurting others for their personal gain cause it was the easier of two paths.

That's the way I view it, and the fact that they choose to have free reign over the already poor, makes them even more deserving of whatever punishment they get.

 

[Broke Lester]

If they come from wealthy families, they commit their crimes from an office. If you rob someone with a gun your labeled a criminal; if you wear expensive suits and use complex financial instruments they call you a prodigy.

Depends on the level of wealth. Agree with this as well.