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International El Salvador approves indefinite presidential reelection and extends terms to 6 years

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BY MARCOS ALEMÁN

SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador (AP) — The party of El Salvador President Nayib Bukele approved constitutional changes in the country’s Legislative Assembly on Thursday that will allow indefinite presidential reelection and extend presidential terms to six years.
Lawmaker Ana Figueroa from the New Ideas party had proposed the changes to five articles of the constitution. The proposal also included eliminating the second round of the election where the two top vote-getters from the first round face off.

New Ideas and its allies in the Legislative Assembly quickly approved the proposals with the supermajority they hold. The vote passed with 57 in favor and three opposed.

Bukele overwhelmingly won reelection last year despite a constitutional ban, after Supreme Court justices selected by his party ruled in 2021 to allow reelection to a second five-year term.

Observers have worried that Bukele had a plan to consolidate power since at least 2021, when a newly elected Congress with a strong governing party majority voted to remove the magistrates of the constitutional chamber of the Supreme Court. Those justices had been seen as the last check on the popular president.
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Since then, Bukele has only grown more popular. The Biden administration’s initial expressions of concern gave way to quiet acceptance as Bukele announced his run for reelection. With the return of U.S. President Donald Trump to the White House in January, Bukele had a new powerful ally and quickly offered Trump help by taking more than 200 deportees from other countries into a newly built prison for gang members.

Figueroa argued Thursday that federal lawmakers and mayors can already seek reelection as many times as they want.

“All of them have had the possibility of reelection through popular vote, the only exception until now has been the presidency,” Figueroa said.

She also proposed that Bukele’s current term, scheduled to end June 1, 2029, instead finish June 1, 2027, to put presidential and congressional elections on the same schedule. It would also allow Bukele to seek reelection to a longer term two years earlier.

Marcela Villatoro of the Nationalist Republican Alliance (Arena), one of three votes against the proposals, told her fellow lawmakers that “Democracy in El Salvador has died!”

“You don’t realize what indefinite reelection brings: It brings an accumulation of power and weakens democracy ... there’s corruption and clientelism because nepotism grows and halts democracy and political participation,” she said.

Suecy Callejas, the assembly’s vice president, said that “power has returned to the only place that it truly belongs ... to the Salvadoran people.”

Bukele did not immediately comment.
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Bukele, who once dubbed himself “the world’s coolest dictator,” is highly popular, largely because of his heavy-handed fight against the country’s powerful street gangs.

Voters have been willing to overlook evidence that his administration like others before it had negotiated with the gangs, before seeking a state of emergency that suspended some constitutional rights and allowed authorities to arrest and jail tens of thousands of people.

His success with security and politically has inspired imitators in the region who seek to replicate his style.


Most recently, Bukele’s government has faced international criticism for the arrests of high-profile lawyers who have been outspoken critics of his administration. One of the country’s most prominent human rights group announced in July it was moving its operations out of El Salvador for the safety of its people, accusing the government of a “wave of repression.”

https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-nayib-bukele-reelection-f9efd1a08d3c9de2f886f7b911b9417d
 
The people like him. I know people from El Salvador that actually went back there to retire after he locked up all the criminals. He's like a muslim arab so he knows how to deal with criminals. They fucking chop off hands and heads and shit of people who steal

We should do the same here. Fucking lock up all the gangs, the homeless crackheads and crimjnals
 
The people like him. I know people from El Salvador that actually went back there to retire after he locked up all the criminals.

"All the criminals" weren't locked up
 
"All the criminals" weren't locked up
Well you certainly can't get them all, but the numbers show that crime has been reduced by a significant number there.

"El Salvador has seen a significant reduction in violent crime, particularly homicides, in recent years. The homicide rate has dropped dramatically, from a high of over 100 per 100,000 people in 2015 to a reported 1.9 per 100,000 in 2024"
 
Well you certainly can't get them all, but the numbers show that crime has been reduced by a significant number there.

"El Salvador has seen a significant reduction in violent crime, particularly homicides, in recent years. The homicide rate has dropped dramatically, from a high of over 100 per 100,000 people in 2015 to a reported 1.9 per 100,000 in 2024"
I saw a documentary with the people on the street praising the changes.
 
I can understand why some find this worrying, but I can also understand why some in El Salvador are cheering this on.
 
Watch Trump use this example to justify floating the idea himself.
 
I saw a documentary with the people on the street praising the changes.
I saw something similar. Most of the people there were talking about how great it is that they can walk the streets safely... and at the same time they were also concerned about the possibility of people who weren't criminals getting swept up in mass arrests and not getting due process, which is a legit concern.
 
I saw something similar. Most of the people there were talking about how great it is that they can walk the streets safely... and at the same time they were also concerned about the possibility of people who weren't criminals getting swept up in mass arrests and not getting due process, which is a legit concern.


People were literally cutting heads, skinning people's faces and stapling them to soccer balls to play football with them
 
Probably the greatest leader in the current political climate. He took his country from leading in murder and violence in the entire world, to being the lowest in the Western hemisphere. There is no accomplishment by any other government figure that even comes close to that. I'm very happy for El Salvador's citizens, they can finally live in a place without constantly fearing about gang violence.

And this is evidenced by the voters of El Salvador in 2024 overwhelmingly supporting him, garnering 85% of the vote with significant turnout.

Meanwhile the left in the West has approval ratings at all time lows and are helping sprout right-wing parties in countries that a decade ago would have been unheard of.
 
Well you certainly can't get them all, but the numbers show that crime has been reduced by a significant number there.

"El Salvador has seen a significant reduction in violent crime, particularly homicides, in recent years. The homicide rate has dropped dramatically, from a high of over 100 per 100,000 people in 2015 to a reported 1.9 per 100,000 in 2024"

Seems like he did get them all.

He got all the actual criminals, the ones that might be criminals, the ones that looked like criminals, the ones that could possibly be criminals, the ones that hung around possible criminals, etc.

Lots of innocent people are locked up. But since the bad guys are also locked up and the bad guys there were REALLY bad, the vast majority of the people are ecstatic.
 
Term limits aren't inherently democratic, and the removal of term limits aren't inherently anti-democratic. We don't have term limits on the Prime Minister in Canada.

I think that putting people in prison "by mistake" is pretty illiberal, though, and any leader who doesn't seem to have a problem with doing that is a tyrant.

And then I also understand that tyrants don't come out of nowhere. They are often a reaction to ineffectual government that has resulted in dramatic negative outcomes for its citizens. In theory, it's preferable to take your chances with your fellow citizens than to live in fear of your own government. But there's a tipping point, and El Salvador went far beyond that tipping point before they turned to a dictator to save them.
 
Seems like he did get them all.

He got all the actual criminals, the ones that might be criminals, the ones that looked like criminals, the ones that could possibly be criminals, the ones that hung around possible criminals, etc.

Lots of innocent people are locked up. But since the bad guys are also locked up and the bad guys there were REALLY bad, the vast majority of the people are ecstatic.
He also cut deals with the gangs to reduce violence: transfers from prisons, prostitute access, money incentives, cell phones.. but his marketing is great.
 
Well you certainly can't get them all, but the numbers show that crime has been reduced by a significant number there.

"El Salvador has seen a significant reduction in violent crime, particularly homicides, in recent years. The homicide rate has dropped dramatically, from a high of over 100 per 100,000 people in 2015 to a reported 1.9 per 100,000 in 2024"

Yes I'm aware, but just like the thread about he and Mileil, theres more to the story. Bukele made deals with the gangs:

"A long-running U.S. investigation of MS-13 has uncovered evidence at odds with Bukele’s reputation as a crime fighter. The inquiry, which began as an effort to dismantle the gang’s leadership, expanded to focus on whether the Bukele government cut a secret deal with MS-13 in the early years of his presidency.

New reporting on that investigation by ProPublica shows that senior officials in Bukele’s government repeatedly impeded the work of a U.S. task force as it pursued evidence of possible wrongdoing by the Salvadoran president and his inner circle.

Bukele’s allies secretly blocked extraditions of gang leaders whom U.S. agents viewed as potential witnesses to the negotiations and persecuted Salvadoran law enforcement officials who helped the task force, according to exclusive interviews with current and former U.S. and Salvadoran officials, newly obtained internal documents and court records from both countries.

In a previously unreported development, federal agents came to suspect that Bukele and members of his inner circle had diverted U.S. aid funds to the gang as part of the alleged deal to provide it with money and power in exchange for votes and reduced homicide rates. In 2021, agents drew up a request to review U.S. bank accounts held by Salvadoran political figures to look for evidence of money laundering related to the suspected diversion of U.S. funds. The list of names assembled by the agents included Bukele, senior officials and their relatives, according to documents viewed by ProPublica.

“Information obtained through investigation has revealed that the individuals contained within this submission are heavily engaged with MS-13 and are laundering funds from illicit business where MS-13 are involved,” the agents wrote. The people on the list “are also believed to have been funding MS-13 to support political campaigns and MS-13 have received political funds.”

The outcome of the request is not known, but its existence shows that the U.S. investigation had widened to examine suspected corruption at high levels of the Bukele government.

The investigation was led by Joint Task Force Vulcan, a multiagency law enforcement team created at Trump’s request in 2019. Agents found evidence that the Bukele government tried to cover up the pact by preventing the extraditions of gang leaders who faced U.S. charges that include ordering the murders of U.S. citizens and plotting to assassinate an FBI agent.

In addition, U.S. officials helped at least eight of their counterparts in Salvadoran law enforcement flee the country and resettle in the United States or elsewhere because they feared retaliation by their own government, current and former U.S. officials said."

The idea is the Administration quashed this investigation because Bukele agreed to take deportees at CECOT.

Veterans of the Vulcan team are “concerned that all their work, the millions of dollars that were spent, going all over the United States, El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, that it will be weakened for political reasons,” said a U.S. official familiar with the investigation.

The task force worked closely with the Salvadoran attorney general’s office, whose prosecutors shared evidence from their own investigation of the gang negotiations and suspected graft in the Bukele government, according to current and former U.S. and Salvadoran officials.

“There was good information on corruption between the gang and the Bukele administration,” Christopher Musto, a former senior official at Homeland Security Investigations, or HSI, who worked on Vulcan, said about the Salvadoran investigation. “It was a great case.”

Right after this is when "NOT a dictator" Bukele ousted his Attorney General AND some oppositional Supreme Court Justices.

I forget which agency, I think it was Vox that actually went to El Salvador and spoke to MS-13 leaders about their "great defeat" to Bukele. The dude laughed and said the Government pays the. as an organization not to kill people during certain times, so we kill people at other times that makes the way they report the numbers seem dramatically less. And that they're aware of what members and leaders are imprisoned, along with a ton of innocent citizens who are merely accused of being gang members, because Bukele's regime is numbers driven and only marginally gives a sh*t if a guy wearing hip hop clothes and tattoos is actually a gangbanger or not. Similar to how gang enhancement charges are used here.

So yeah, f*ck Bukele. And f*ck our Government for covering up for their horsesh*t.
 
He also cut deals with the gangs to reduce violence: transfers from prisons, prostitute access, money incentives, cell phones.. but his marketing is great.

This guy gets it
 
People were literally cutting heads, skinning people's faces and stapling them to soccer balls to play football with them

Yeah now that's just happening inside CECOT as opposed to in the streets.

Great improvement.
 
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