Eddie Hall vs. Hafthor Bjornsson

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Bro fairly good grappler is a huge understatement he was a adcc champion.

He was more than just an ADCC champion. He was also a No-Gi BJJ world champion as well. But, as I said before, I can name plenty of guys that were extremely decorated grapplers (or strikers) that weren't able to fully translate those credentials (pure grappling skills) into MMA. When the greatest grapplers in MMA are listed Monson is never included. You hear about guys like Maia, Roger Gracie, Werdum, Jacare, even GSP. GSP had no real grappling credentials at all, didn't wrestle in high school or college, but he proved he deserves to be mentioned as one of the finest grapplers ever to compete in MMA.

 

[Deaths Head]

An MMA fight would be far more intriguing ,neither guy can box and this will look like a second rate tough man contest with 2 giant guys who don’t have any skills in the striking game. If you put MMA gloves and allowed them to incorporate actual strong man into this match like grabbing, grappling etc,,it would be a much valid match to do,

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Im very familiar with monson. I still disagree with calling him just "a fairly good grappler."

Who considers Monson to be a great grappler in the context of MMA then? It seems nobody does. I mean, Tim Sylvia outgrappled Jeff Monson in MMA. Pick any list you like and show me his inclusion in the top 50 (grapplers in MMA). If you can do that then I'll upgrade him to 'good'. This should be easy given how badly some of you guys are nitpicking. So, there's the challenge.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

A couple posters here weren't happy that I said Monson was a fairly good grappler (in MMA). Imagine their disgust when they read some of these posts (especially as he was called a one-trick pony, journeyman, "medicore" takedowns and "solid" at grappling).

How good was Jeff Monson...?

It seems I was spot on.

 

[Deaths Head]

Who considers Monson to be a great grappler in the context of MMA then? It seems nobody does. I mean, Tim Sylvia outgrappled Jeff Monson in MMA. Pick any list you like and show me his inclusion in the top 50 (grapplers in MMA). If you can do that then I'll upgrade him to 'good'. This should be easy given how badly some of you guys are nitpicking. So, there's the challenge.

Monson avenged that loss .

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[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Monson avenged that loss .

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In a video game? Well, I stand corrected then.

 

[Deaths Head]

In a video game? Well, I stand corrected then.

In all seriousness, Monson actually out grappled Sylvia he took him down and was cut from an elbow I believe and the next round impaired him vision, he was not only outweighed but he was only 5”9 to Sylvias 6”8 so the answer is Monson was very formidable being a very chunky tank like guy with limited submissions in a cage and had no more then two to go submissions rear naked and north and south choke holds . Is this elite ? Probably not but giving his background he would be a handful on any given day ,he submitted Sergei Kharanotov in pride ,took Liddell down briefly which not even Couture could keep him there easy .

I’d say he’s more then decent he wasn’t young either ,in a pure grappling match I’d say he’s better then a MMA one at least his record suggested it .

 

[tru3f4n]

Right, but he was still a 315 pound man that got his leg ripped out from underneath him like he was a child.

not that big of a deal

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

not that big of a deal

LOL, you're using Rolles Gracie to try and counter my argument? Pudzianowski isn't even a grappler dude he's a striker. He has a Karate base in Kyokushin. He relied on pure strength to do that to Sapp, not technique. Rolles also got the shit knocked out of him from the first punch that Pudzianowski hit him with. He got coldclocked by a big right hand only seconds into their fight.

 

[tru3f4n]

Who considers Monson to be a great grappler in the context of MMA then? It seems nobody does. I mean, Tim Sylvia outgrappled Jeff Monson in MMA. Pick any list you like and show me his inclusion in the top 50 (grapplers in MMA). If you can do that then I'll upgrade him to 'good'. This should be easy given how badly some of you guys are nitpicking. So, there's the challenge.

Sylvia was able to out grapple him because Monson is shit off his back he needs top control to do anything he's no different then guys like Mark Kerr or to a lesser extent Ricardo Arona.

 

[tru3f4n]

LOL, you're using Rolles Gracie to try and counter my argument? Pudzianowski isn't even a grappler dude he's a striker. He has a Karate base in Kyokushin. He relied on pure strength to do that to Sapp, not technique. Rolles also got the shit knocked out of him from the first punch that Pudzianowski hit him with. He got coldclocked by a big right hand only seconds into their fight.

and it's Rolles Gracie not Roger Gracie just because he has a the Gracie name doesn't mean shit.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Sylvia was able to out grapple him because Monson is shit off his back he needs top control to do anything he's no different then guys like Mark Kerr or to a lesser extent Ricardo Arona.

Monson was considered limited in that regard. Good top control, good from the north-south position, and decent takedowns. Monson did get submitted twice though in MMA (one he argues he thought was an exhibition in which he was armbarred). His first submission loss came by RNC against Oleynik. A great grappler in MMA has more to their game. I look for heavy top control and a submission game (with strong sub defense), good guard passing, good positioning in general, chain wrestling, good takedowns from distance and from the clinch, strong TDD, a respectable guard/bottom game, and good scrambling ability.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

and it's Rolles Gracie not Roger Gracie just because he has a the Gracie name doesn't mean shit.

He doesn't need to be Roger, he's still a decorated submission grappler that was born into his family's BJJ. Still a world class grappler either way.

 

[Rob-G]

If this is what he brings, this is gonna be ugly. I actually think even Logan Paul can beat this guy

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

In all seriousness, Monson actually out grappled Sylvia he took him down and was cut from an elbow I believe and the next round impaired him vision, he was not only outweighed but he was only 5”9 to Sylvias 6”8 so the answer is Monson was very formidable being a very chunky tank like guy with limited submissions in a cage and had no more then two to go submissions rear naked and north and south choke holds . Is this elite ? Probably not but giving his background he would be a handful on any given day ,he submitted Sergei Kharanotov in pride ,took Liddell down briefly which not even Couture could keep him there easy .

I’d say he’s more then decent he wasn’t young either ,in a pure grappling match I’d say he’s better then a MMA one at least his record suggested it .

It's the other way around. Sylvia mostly neutralized Monson's grappling and shut him out to a wide UD. Specifically, he outwrestled him by stuffing 12 out of his 13 takedown attempts. He also managed to attempt a sub (triangle) of his own, managed to pass his guard once, and even reversed him. Monson did better in guard passing but not by much (with only one more pass to his credit). Sylvia didn't attempt any TDs of his own because, again, he's not a grappler (he's always been a striker).
http://www.ufcstats.com/fight-details/2f379b530fefb7ea

Monson had a good RNC, sure, but many MMA fighters have that. His north-south chokes in particular deserve props but I already credited him for that previously. I agree that he was a much better pure grappler than grappler in MMA. But, even in pure grappling (No-Gi BJJ) he got handled by a young Roy Nelson before he became super fat. Roy is a good pure submission grappler himself, world class level skills, but he wasn't one of the true world elites like Monson was.

 

[Shoemaker]

If this is what he brings, this is gonna be ugly. I actually think even Logan Paul can beat this guy

He was getting pieced up pretty good that second half. He was having success just pushing the other guy around though.

I saw Eddies clip too and it wasn’t particularly impressive either. Neither one of them can take a punch very well. They turn away every time.

 

[Sharkhunter]

Yea I think we're talking about the same one

I remember this incident years ago... I even contacted Bas Rutten on twitter to show him that... Bas responded that he hates people like that and that he would've fucked up the big guy... But he also said that the victim in the video should have ran out... Which I agree with. The guy is looking at his phone, ignoring what is standing in front of him, absolutely not ready to fight... Which is suicidal:

I think he got like 5 years for that

 

[MC Paul Barman]

In my dreams? Are you positive?
C'mon let's be realistic: Do you really think you could beat ALL average females on the planet? You don't know much about fighting.
I know a 14 y.old girl that is an amateur boxer, and she'd probably fuck you up.

why are you fucking around with him?
He’s a good hombre on this board

 

[Esile]

Here's a Freestyle wrestler that's only 158 pounds handling a bodybuilder advertised as being 340 pounds (over 300 for sure but 340 is a stretch). Notice though that he's cooperating and putting up very little resistance.

What makes you think that he is cooperating?
Do you think it's fake?

 

[Esile]

There's a video on Youtube of a middleweight greco-roman wrestler handling a 260 pound bodybuilder and then a 380 strongman pretty well. It was a world championship wrestler, but still.

Were you referring to this one?