Eddie Alvarez on MMA vs Boxing

[HHJ]

This is the same point 100 other people have made lol, I've already responded to it and the other three points everyone makes multiple times

Pretending like real life self defense scenarios never happen without weapons is dumb lol. Just an excuse to not know how to fight

Of course stuff w weapons happens..but that's never the point of the discussion. People being up street fights because they feel certain fighters would excel at that kind of combat, with no time limits and so on,but it just gets stupid when they say "what about Knives and what about 20 dudes???" That is not at all the point of what's being said. Just derailing stuff to the point of idiocy

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Of course stuff w weapons happens..but that's never the point of the discussion. People being up street fights because they feel certain fighters would excel at that kind of combat, with no time limits and so on,but it just gets stupid when they say "what about Knives and what about 20 dudes???" That is not at all the point of what's being said. Just derailing stuff to the point of idiocy

Exactly, I know you were put off by this thread which is understandable because the MMA vs Boxing debate is usually disrespectful, and low-level stuff, but I've always been interested in the self defense aspect of martial arts, and a lot of people are very ignorant about basic realities, even people into MMA enough to have Sherdog accounts. Some of the responses to this have been kinda eye-opening for people's mentality for preparing for a self-defense situation. Maybe I'm reading too much into it haha.

 

[ejazahmednit]

MMA is also a controlled environment. If bite, eye gouge and balls squeezing were allowed, the whole sport would be a lot different than it is now . Anyway, as I said before, this whole thing is beyond juvenile. Both sport have a place

You still talking about mma big man?

 

[HHJ]

Exactly, I know you were put off by this thread which is understandable because the MMA vs Boxing debate is usually disrespectful, and low-level stuff, but I've always been interested in the self defense aspect of martial arts, and a lot of people are very ignorant about basic realities, even people into MMA enough to have Sherdog accounts. Some of the responses to this have been kinda eye-opening for people's mentality for preparing for a self-defense situation. Maybe I'm reading too much into it haha.

Oh no doubt. I was always aware that you can teach someone all the techniques in the world,but that doesnt make them suitable for real life conflict. Say you get an over under on someone in the street and they bite your ear off? What then?

Obviously there is nothing that can prepare you for that,other than to be AWARE that it can all go terribly wrong,so it doesnt completley surprise you.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Oh no doubt. I was always aware that you can teach someone all the techniques in the world,but that doesnt make them suitable for real life conflict. Say you get an over under on someone in the street and they bite your ear off? What then?

Obviously there is nothing that can prepare you for that,other than to be AWARE that it can all go terribly wrong,so it doesnt completley surprise you.

Yeah for sure, it seems like a lot of people have convinced themselves to not even learn how to get an over under because somebody can bite your ear off, which is what I disagree with so many people on this thread about; something like an over-under is still highly effective and useful even if there are variables you can't control

 

[HHJ]

Yeah for sure, it seems like a lot of people have convinced themselves to not even learn how to get an over under because somebody can bite your ear off,

Thats even worse than what I was talking about hahaha

 

[Sanserif]

The amount of people that only want to talk about weapons as if there are no self defense scenarios without them are hilarious

Of course there is a place for unarmed self defence techniques in self defense scenarios. But they are always secondary to weapon modalities because someone intentionally causing a life and death struggle - a crime situation or terrorism or a warfare scenario- will never show up unarmed. Instead he will seek to have an overwhelming advantage so as to ensure as far as possible that he eliminates the victim and that means he will seek to use as deadly a weapon or weapons that he can get access to.

In the real world,m and given a choice, no one in his right mind will seek to use merely unarmed self defence techniques to defend himself against a weapon attack eg firearm or machete or knife because the chances of a successful outcome for him is decidedly low no matter how skilled he or she is. Instead he or she will seek to improve his or her own odds for survival by reaching for a weapon.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

Different sports you asshats, both are great and difficult to master in their own way.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

There is some truth to this, but ultimately, when you are talking about an expert grappler against a non-expert grappler, the non-expert gets put on his back and beaten down the vast majority of the time.

Boxing would be more useful in a situation where there may be multiple combatants. You wouldn't want to be on the ground grappling where you could get stomped, throw a few punches and get out of there.

I dont disagree with any of that. A vast majority of regular street fights occur in a short amount of time before it gets intervened.

All I simply stated was that from my experiences, Ive seen some boxers do extremely well in street fights growing up. And later when I got involved in the mma scene for about 15yrs, Ive seen guys get into fights with mixed outcomes.

 

[wolfss]

Anti boxing talk is just as lame as anti mma talk.They are both great sports. People need to stop being so defensive about it.

Right. Right. But mma is better.

 

[HHJ]

Right. Right. But mma is better.

 

[Khaiser]

It blows my mind MMA guys are still spewing this nonsense after Mcgregor vs Mayweather essentially exposed the genetic gap in the two sports.

Mcgreogr, and MMA strike who MMA fanboys touted as having "nuclear power!" and "amazing timing and speed". They really thought that if Mcgregor landed on Mayweather, it would surely result in the same as when Mcgregor touched those MMA manlet bums like Sivers, Mendes, and Aldo.

This is the problem with having almost no perspective on either sport. They have this warped, narrow minded view and base their entirely belief around this.

What happened when Mcgregor fought Floyd? Right, MMA got completely exposed for how INFERIOR their fighters/athletes are.

Remember, it's GENETIC, NOT discipline.

Mcgregor simply didn't have the genetic to hang with boxing guys. His once feared MMA punching power was but a JOKE vs Mayweather.

The supposed nuclear left hand became pillow fist vs the iron jaws of a boxer.

The MMA speed of Mcgregor became molasses vs the handspeed of a real boxer. The timing was not actual timing, but the simple advantage of having fighting nothing but MMA manlets.

Mcgregor, despite being far bigger in size and weight, couldn't ever pose a real threat to Mayweather simply because Mayweather was the superior genetic specimen.

Mayweather's speed, durability, endurance, chin, power, everything, just showed Mcgregor that he doesn't below anywhere in the same realm, DESPITE Mcgregor being the far bigger man.

Bolded is very true.

People lose perspective, particularly around things like power and punch resistance in MMA, because the sport predominantly consists of grapplers, most of whom have picked up striking later in life, and never really gotten to grips with even the most basic elements of it.

It’s one thing to look powerful when knocking out a lifelong grappler who fights with his chin out and has never been through the rigours of boxing (in the sense that it provides the ultimate ‘chin-checking’ test). It’s entirely different to knockout a decent boxer for obvious reasons. Same way that nobody would really be impressed by someone landing an arm bar on a lifelong boxer stepping into a grappling situation.

Perspective in sport is important. People who ignored it would’ve believed that McGregor hit harder than Mayweather for instance.

 

[Khaiser]

This is the same point 100 other people have made lol, I've already responded to it and the other three points everyone makes multiple times

Pretending like real life self defense scenarios never happen without weapons is dumb lol. Just an excuse to not know how to fight

I could be wrong, but I don’t thing you’ve ever presented a real scenario that happens without without weapons and the multiple attackers. Remember, the very notion that weapons may be present, or someone else might interfere in the fight, changes things massively, even if neither come to pass.

 

[Sickbro69420]

Anti boxing talk is just as lame as anti mma talk.They are both great sports. People need to stop being so defensive about it.

Straight up man. It's a childish argument and they can compliment each other. Eddie is looking for someone to call him out.

 

[Sickbro69420]

Simply visiting your local boxing gym and comparing it your nearest BJJ dojo would end this debate on the superiority of MMA. Boxing attracts disadvantaged kids from troubled neighbourhoods which have historically been the greatest athletes worldwide whereas MMA gyms are full of middle class redditors who listen to Joe Rogan and masturbate at the thought of beating up the jocks from their high school days.

That's not completely true but it's funny as hell.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Yes it is a fact,but saying that its not a fight is where I draw the line.

Semantics I guess. I was saying in another thread that none of it is a fight and it’s all sport.

But I got stabbed from behind in the first fight I was ever in. This is after already taking boxing and wrestling.

 

[ejazahmednit]

The importance of ruleset in professional sports can be best highlighted by Pauli vs Lobov
There is no way if the fight was with boxing gloves that Pauli would ve lost
But a small changes like the removal of gloves completely overtook all the instincts
Same with Mcgregor vs Mayweather, forget about knocking out Floyd, Conor appeared unable to throw powerful punches at all

Muscle memory, strategy , best practices all count when the rule sets remain the same
Change the rule set and all of a sudden the best aren't the best anymore

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

The importance of ruleset in professional sports can be best highlighted by Pauli vs Lobov
There is no way if the fight was with boxing gloves that Pauli would ve lost
But a small changes like the removal of gloves completely overtook all the instincts
Same with Mcgregor vs Mayweather, forget about knocking out Floyd, Conor appeared unable to throw powerful punches at all

Muscle memory, strategy , best practices all count when the rule sets remain the same
Change the rule set and all of a sudden the best aren't the best anymore

Yeah it’s soooo different, if more Boxing guys did MMA I think people would be shocked at how bad their hands would look compared to what they have in their minds. Not saying it wouldn’t translate, but it wouldn’t the way many think it would.

 

[Coconutwater]

I've seen a lot of people say this, it does need pointing out occasionally, not everyone understands

Even people on this thread have disputed it

Yeah, well, I’ve seen more MMA insecure fans than boxing ones, IMO. For the record, I’m more an MMA fan than boxing because I like the idea of rule reduction, but MMA fans in general attract Neanderthals compared to boxing, they’re very insecure about their sport and must tell the whole world how their sport is more realistic, and blah, blah, blah.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Yeah, well, I’ve seen more MMA insecure fans than boxing ones, IMO. For the record, I’m more an MMA fan than boxing because I like the idea of rule reduction, but MMA fans in general attract Neanderthals compared to boxing, they’re very insecure about their sport and must tell the whole world how their sport is more realistic, and blah, blah, blah.

Why do so many people make it into an insecurity thing? And why do you think MMA attracts neanderthals? Why do MMA fans constantly demean other MMA fans and fighters?

I usually like your posts, but I really don't get where a lot of you guys are coming from with this. This thread proves many people don't understand how much more effective MMA is in a self-defense context, so I don't know why it can't be pointed out without being accused of being insecure, and a neanderthal