DQ vs. NC

[IDGETKTFO]

What does the ref base his decision on in these situations?

Location.

 

[DjolexMTL]

They were in Abu Dhabi and Ankalaev is a daggy, it is what it is

 

[BigTruck]

You can't shake your junk at the grocery store? Really?

I know, right? Wtf is this shit.

 

[BabyBlue_Bomber]

Ref rule Yan’s knee as an intentional foul, and Ankalaev’s as an accidental foul…

Though they both looked pretty intentional to me.

 

[Joshuaace]

It comes down to "intention".

It's about "intent"

Tim Means removed any doubt about his intentions when he kneed Alez Oliveira. He still got a NC.




He basically said the same thing in the cage before the decision was even announced.

 

[FloydMayweatherMMA]

How come Yan got DQd for the same exact thing Ankalaev did? Im not trying to provoke its a genuine question, what was the difference? Shouldnt Ankalaev have gotten disqualified as well? What does the ref base his decision on in these situations?

Depends how car through the fight they are. I think the majority of rounds have to have been completed for an accidental foul to lead to a DQ.

 

[2004 account]

The c in ufc def don't stand for consistency

 

[markys00]

Ref discretion is the only out here. Maybe cuz the ref and Yan's corner both told Yan not to before it happened, so there's zero excuse for ignorance, while someone could make the terrible argument that Ank didn't know where Walker's knee was under themlm?

Both rightfully earned a DQ, but Ank escaped with a NC, and he should thank his lucky stars cuz that's some bullshit

Damn I always thought it was the opposite and that his corner urged him to knee him.

Anyway, even though the rules are usually decently written, every ref kinda does what they want. Sometimes they punish the fighter who plays the 'am I grounded or not' game and other times the fighter who is attacking gets punished. You just never know

 

[El Fernas]

Proper reffing vs dumb/bias reffing, there is no other explanation for it, since deciding "intention" its up to the ref you are left with them doing their job wrong, like an Adalaide Byrd scoring cards kind of thing, they both fuck things up.

Yan's DQ the ref told him not to do it and he still went and did it, was it that much different? No, only that the ref in Yan's case was more active and doing a better job reading the situation, that doesnt make one knee more of a foul than the other, Walker was clearly down just like Aljo was, both should had been ruled a DQ because the fighter was determined not able to continue by the doctor and both fouls should had ben called intentional, both.

I thought it was a NC because enough time hadn't elapsed (early 1st round) vs Yan / Sterling which happened in the 4th round?

That applies for "accidental" or "unintentional" fouls only.

 

[maximus__]

How come Yan got DQd for the same exact thing Ankalaev did? Im not trying to provoke its a genuine question, what was the difference? Shouldnt Ankalaev have gotten disqualified as well? What does the ref base his decision on in these situations?

Yan was trying to pull Sterling up when he landed the knee.

Ankalaev made no attempt and fully blasted him.

The only difference really is the ref yelling in Yan's 3rd language and it was a title fight. Sterling;s reaction was also clearly fake as we have seen multiple times since similar knees have happened and what he actually does when he is rocked to the head.

Both should be a DQ or NC. There should be no difference between the results of these two fights. I lean to DQ persoanlly.
An accidental knee should be a knee that lands to the head as a fighter shoots in under or from running in for follow up ground and pound. If you intentionally throw the knee and it impacts the head it can't be accidental, you still threw a knee and it landed to the head.

 

[maximus__]

Damn I always thought it was the opposite and that his corner urged him to knee him.

Anyway, even though the rules are usually decently written, every ref kinda does what they want. Sometimes they punish the fighter who plays the 'am I grounded or not' game and other times the fighter who is attacking gets punished. You just never know

They said strike, strike and then yelled punch after. Aljo kneeling on the ground in front of Yan should just result in a TKO loss anyway. It's not intelligent defence and the ref should look at stopping the fight to protect the fighter clearly unable to protect themselves. Similar in the Mokaev fight. Watch it immediately leave the sport.

 

[Objectively Correct]

They said strike, strike and then yelled punch after. Aljo kneeling on the ground in front of Yan should just result in a TKO loss anyway. It's not intelligent defence and the ref should look at stopping the fight to protect the fighter clearly unable to protect themselves. Similar in the Mokaev fight. Watch it immediately leave the sport.

Cejudo would have kneed him into oblivion too if Aljo hadnt kept using that rule to his advantage

 

[BigTruck]

Tim Means removed any doubt about his intentions when he kneed Alez Oliveira. He still got a NC.




He basically said the same thing in the cage before the decision was even announced.

He didn't tell the ref he intended to foul his opponent so the ref made a judgement call which is again why it's bullshit bc YOU don't know the intention, just a foul happened so it needed to be punished more harshly.

 

[maximus__]

Cejudo would have kneed him into oblivion too if Aljo hadnt kept using that rule to his advantage

All we should hear is the ref giving the warning to fight back and to intelligently defend yourself immediately or the fight will be stopped. Alternatively just score that position extreme highly meaning that Aljo loses those rounds 10-8 or in Mokaev's case similar. You have dominated your opponent so much they have to put themselves into a position that's only safe due to a particular technique being allowed. I say this as someone who regularly ends up in that position in training and accepts I have lost the round if my sparring partner wasn't such a nice person haha.

 

[HCS]

Dana told Walker in the cage that he was going to take care of it to get him to calm down. I wonder what he's going to do.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Damn I always thought it was the opposite and that his corner urged him to knee him.

Anyway, even though the rules are usually decently written, every ref kinda does what they want. Sometimes they punish the fighter who plays the 'am I grounded or not' game and other times the fighter who is attacking gets punished. You just never know

There was some confusion about that. He had 2 people shouting at him in English and 2 people shouting in Russian. I'm assuming he's 'closer' with the Russians, but the head coach was yelling for him not to knee, then there was a moment of hesitation, then one of his Russian cornermen shouted something in Russian that some people said was 'kick,' but I've seen other people say that word is just "hit."

Now, with how imperfect direct translations are, who knows what the semantics are there, but Yan was standing there not doing anything because of the knee down, not even really punching or anything, so 'hit him' is just good advice. But "one voice" is already a pretty standard coaching rule, so to not only have two voices, but two languages and then telling him to kick in the other language right after the head coach said don't? That would have been REALLY dumb

Tim Means removed any doubt about his intentions when he kneed Alez Oliveira. He still got a NC.




He basically said the same thing in the cage before the decision was even announced.

I had went on a rant about this one recently. It was SUCH a fucking stupid move on his part AND he was clear afterwards that he was being intentional with it. He even says he should have been DQ'ed (even though he says it in an indignant and ignorant way), but he lucked out.

Refs really need to call fucking fouls, and DQ's should be rightfully called more.

Depends how car through the fight they are. I think the majority of rounds have to have been completed for an accidental foul to lead to a DQ.

Technical decision? When they go to judges on points?