Don't you appreciate Mike Tyson so much more?

[7even]

Marciano was like 185, no?

Wilder normally comes in at 215, no?

Lots of HW boxing champs weren’t exactly giants.

And LOL at gaining 50 pounds. Half at that at most.

Wilder is like 6’8”
How isn’t he a giant?

 

[kenetics]

source?

Sparring between the two story.

 

[TeTe]

Lennox was already getting upperhand when they were teens.. Tyson coach told Tyson he would see Lennox later at the top. So no, I don't think he would kill Lennox lol

I think if Cus Damato lived even another five years, Tyson would have stayed focused and improved enough to mow down anyone in his way. His talent got him by for a couple years past the Berbick victory.. but he just lost his way and discipline after Cus.

 

[LEWIS540]

Wilder is like 6’8”
How isn’t he a giant?

.....because he weighs in at 215, durrrrr.

 

[kenetics]

I think if Cus Damato lived even another five years, Tyson would have stayed focused and improved enough to mow down anyone in his way. His talent got him by for a couple years past the Berbick victory.. but he just lost his way and discipline after Cus.

Possible but it didn't turn out that way and we have to go by what actually happened.

 

[shanegotu11]

Lennox was already getting upperhand when they were teens.. Tyson coach told Tyson he would see Lennox later at the top. So no, I don't think he would kill Lennox lol

I dont see this anywhere but Tyson getting the better of Lewis the first couple days and lennox got him the 3rd. So 2 of 3 were by Tyson. Mike's coach did say what you said.

 

[kenetics]

I dont see this anywhere but Tyson getting the better of Lewis the first couple days and lennox got him the 3rd. So 2 of 3 were by Tyson. Mike's coach did say what you said.

Lennox beat the better fighters though..

 

[7even]

.....because he weighs in at 215, durrrrr.

You’re acting like Wilder didn’t have an physical advantage with his hight. That’s the whole point of this thread, that Tyson was in a physical disadvantage against the majority of his opponents.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Tyson lost to all the top hw he faced. Spinks was the only one he beat who had a name . Spinks also was a small hw that moved up from smaller weight class.

Pretty much true.. Tough to say how Tyson fares against fighters like Lewis, Holtyfield or even Bowe had he been focused on his career and ignored all the outside BS? But that is a skill also.. The ability to focus long term.. Tyson failed in that regard..

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Lennox was already getting upperhand when they were teens.. Tyson coach told Tyson he would see Lennox later at the top. So no, I don't think he would kill Lennox lol

Lewis was NOT truly great until he was older.. Like 33-38 was his peak.. Tyson if he was focused in say 91-92 maybe knocks him out..

 

[kenetics]

Lewis was NOT truly great until he was older.. Like 33-38 was his peak.. Tyson if he was focused in say 91-92 maybe knocks him out..

Maybe. Lennox knew how to use his size and was a very good boxer. He beat some good HW than Tyson. I think Tyson just had to many mental issues to reach his full potential.

 

[kenetics]

I dont see this anywhere but Tyson getting the better of Lewis the first couple days and lennox got him the 3rd. So 2 of 3 were by Tyson. Mike's coach did say what you said.

He said thing got hectic , nothing about him losing the first two days.

 

[pick999]

Tyson couldn't win the big fights

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Jones whole career has been peak Tyson

In cocaine use, perhaps.

 

[RageQuitLord]

I don't give a fuck who wins in a fight, obviously Jones has more weapons, but a prime Tyson would frighten me much more

Also a street fight isn't like a an MMA/boxing fight and it really is in the heat of the moment. I guarantee Mike has had WAY more street fights than Jon

I really doubt that considering Jon Jones is a very sketchy individual lol

 

[textwarrior]

Looking how Jones had to beef up 50 pounds over 3 years to fight in the HW division and very few people dare to do this in the UFC,, I appreciate Tyson so much more as small HW who basically weighed in at around 220 on fight night, which is what the LHWs now coming in at. And he fought these guys who were monsters compared to him and KOed most of them.

I personally have a much deeper appreciation for him and still can't think of anyone in combat sports who is more exciting.

Tyson never hit his prime because Cus D Amato died, if Cus Lived, His peak would have been from 28 to 36 or 38 who knows but um the young Tyson was such an animal with Cus that we thought that was his peak but he clearly went down hill after his death at such an early age. But...He was the most amazing dominate fighter I ever saw in my life cause I was a kid watching his fights and we all knew how special of an athlete he was that Cus made him out to be but ...only cause Tyson was that Athlete that Cus was perfect for training....it was Dynamite...and if Cus lived through Mikes career....there would be not question Ali and Tyson were the best ever. Tyson was such an animal before UFC or MMA and what we saw was like spectacular at that time in boxing that...we were all amazed by the whole appearance of Mike Tyson and His rise...

 

[Cooliox]

Hendo is a hard one to rate. TRT helped him more than anyone, no disrespect. Still a double hard bastard.

Wand was likely juiced too. Always feel he’s slightly overrated too. Him getting killed by CroCop was equally horrifying and epic.

All these guys are fucking hard as a coffin nail.

Interesting about Honda and TRT. How long was he on that? I guess if you speak about Pride days, TRT nor steroids were an issue right? It wasn't illegal. And hence, no one had an unfair edge.

I guess in the West, yes TRT gave Hendo an unfair edge. He still fought well after it was banned though., Clearly showing he didn't abuse it. Meanwhile someone like Vitor lost his physique entirely after it was banned. Bigfoot went to hell after he couldn't use it.

 

[LEWIS540]

Interesting about Honda and TRT. How long was he on that? I guess if you speak about Pride days, TRT nor steroids were an issue right? It wasn't illegal. And hence, no one had an unfair edge.

I guess in the West, yes TRT gave Hendo an unfair edge. He still fought well after it was banned though., Clearly showing he didn't abuse it. Meanwhile someone like Vitor lost his physique entirely after it was banned. Bigfoot went to hell after he couldn't use it.

Who knows?

Pretty obvious guys find a way to use without getting caught.

Don’t think it’s as simple as everyone who takes gets a 10% boost, either.

Specifically talking about Henderson, no idea if/what/when he was taking, but he went from “Decision Dan” to “H-Bomb” when he hit his 30s…..

 

[Chillez]

Imagine if Tyson at his peak was fighting Jones at his peak.

Jones would have DESTROYED Tyson.

This is facts.

True among many other great MMA heavyweights of the past.

 

[RageQuitLord]

Don’t think Liddell ever had that aura, tbh. Remember posting here back in the day, and a lot of people always thought he was overrated.

You can't judge someone's aura from sherdog dude. On sherdog everyone is over rated and sucks bro they're fighters