Law Don't let your kids chemically transition

[Islam Imamate]

Its slightly difficult to empathise with this person and everyone like her. If you make the decision to undertake major, severe bodily changes you know there's gonna be SOME issues going forward. Unless, you're mentally ill.

It's like one of those freaks who want a healthy limb amputated, turning around and saying "I never realised I'd be so handicapped with just one arm. And now I can't get it back."

Its really not the same, this is all on the doctors. I don't even blame the parents. A lot of times these doctors frame this as a life threatening issue, that the patient in question will have a very high chance of suicide should they not go through the transition. Most patients and their guardians will be quite spooked by that kind of framing and could easily be convinced despite doubts.

Being as how the thread title is about "chemical transition" I recommend y'all check out this article from the Mayo Clinic and educate yourselves.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...horia/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075



The first part doesn't appear to have been adhered to in the case of the subject of this article so it's not much wonder things went wrong.

The second part is more to the point in as much as taking the drug doesn't prevent puberty; it only delays it and if you stop taking them you will still go through puberty. The problem, again, is if they are administered improperly. That's a medical profession issue, not a transgender issue.

There's really not much hard data at all on this question. Certainly the data supposedly showing the benefits of these transitions like surgery are very shaky and usually of quite poor quality.

 

[Confucamus]

I've said before that there will be more of these stories coming out years from now and it will become very controversial to cover.

 

[Lubaolong]

It's tiresome seeing people give these procedures the benefit of the doubt or even defending them because the media has mind-fucked them into thinking it's a good idea. That's literally what being a scummy fence-sitter is. "Well I'm not a doctor, so why should I have an opinion?" Yeah blindly worshipping authorities figures and refusing to think for yourself is the problem with this entire fucking planet. Same people would fry people to death because the man in the white coat told them to in the Milgram experiment. It's not complicated. You give your son puberty blockers and he will be infertile, have a Kallmann syndrome-esque physique and a permanent micro-penis. Does that sound like an action made out of love? Meanwhile if he had been allowed to go through puberty there's a 80-90% chance he would have become gay and been happy with who he is. No cancers, no permanent injections and drug regimens, no sterility, nothing.

Sounds like you want to control every aspect of your son’s life. Maybe he doesn’t want to have a big dick and Adam’s apple. Ever consider that?

not sure where this cancer stuff is coming from, but I’m sure you got it from some conservative news story.

 

[Lubaolong]

Except we're seeing more and more cases of people who go through that transition and ultimately regret it, especially FtMs who make up the vast majority of new cases being referred to such clinics.

According to whom? Transition regret is real, but all data points to it being very uncommon.

 

[Richmma80]

I laugh at all these pictures of celebrities with kids wearing dresses even though they're clearly boys

 

[nostradumbass]

She sounds like a hero.

 

[Islam Imamate]

According to whom? Transition regret is real, but all data points to it being very uncommon.

There's a lack of good data on the issue but from my understanding estimates range form under 1% to up to 8%. With the vast increases in patients being referred to gender affirming care I expect that number to go up.

 

[spamking]

I dont know how anyone can call himself a scientist and claim that blocking a puberty with pills can be completely reversable if you just stop taking pills everything is back to normal you good and healthy... I mean its only logical some marks will be left, maybe not even visible, but its clearly not gonna be a same body.

I don't understand why anyone would believe it makes any sense at all to give someone medication to prevent their body from going through the biological and normal course of development period . . . and why they would think it wouldn't result in something unhealthy.

 

[HomeCheese]

It's such an easy decision when it isn't your kid. I am on the fence about letting kids transition but know three parents that have gone through this with their kids. One example, a friend's daughter was having sever mental health problems and had tried to kill herself several times. They had to take her bedroom door off the hinges so they could keep an eye on her so she wouldn't try again.

Once it got out in the open she was trans he really stabilized. He is 19 now and seems happy. The parents were both hard working teachers and started their own consulting business and are pretty rich so they paid for extra special care and top surgery.

Another family I know, her son had always identified as a girl. Always wanted to wear a dress and play the princess. Now the kid is 10 and at the time to decide to go on hormones or not. Her oldest is 15 and already has identified and gay and is out of the closet.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that this problems are very real and I am reluctant to judge a parent until I have gone through something similar.

 

[KeithHackneyballpunch]

When I was a kid, I wanted to be Rambo.

You still can be homie

 

[Lubaolong]

There's a lack of good data on the issue but from my understanding estimates range form under 1% to up to 8%. With the vast increases in patients being referred to gender affirming care I expect that number to go up.

Yes, most numbers are very low. The 8% survey was made up of mostly temporary pauses, with most detransitions due to family pressure. Less than 1% was because they had regret about their decision. Transition regret is of course real. So are the risks of doing nothing.

What percent of people regret cosmetic surgeries, back surgeries, etc? The numbers are orders of magnitude larger. Where’s DeSantis? Why are Breitbart and Daily Wire not running stories about this? The answer should be obvious.

 

[BearGrounds]

Claiming that puberty blockers are completely reversible is a disgusting and dangerous lie.

I shudder to think of all the mutilated children this zeitgeist has produced.

 

[Loiosh]

It's upwards of at least 300,000...per day, Ruprecht.

What does that mean, exactly?

And where did you get that number?

 

[SummerStriker]

It's such an easy decision when it isn't your kid. I am on the fence about letting kids transition but know three parents that have gone through this with their kids. One example, a friend's daughter was having sever mental health problems and had tried to kill herself several times. They had to take her bedroom door off the hinges so they could keep an eye on her so she wouldn't try again.

Once it got out in the open she was trans he really stabilized. He is 19 now and seems happy. The parents were both hard working teachers and started their own consulting business and are pretty rich so they paid for extra special care and top surgery.

Another family I know, her son had always identified as a girl. Always wanted to wear a dress and play the princess. Now the kid is 10 and at the time to decide to go on hormones or not. Her oldest is 15 and already has identified and gay and is out of the closet.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that this problems are very real and I am reluctant to judge a parent until I have gone through something similar.

We are supposed to be able to rely on experts for corner case help. Like, I am not going to read a bunch of scientific papers on trans-men i could barely understand to prepare for the tiny chance my daughter is a man, just like Im not studying Islam or Red Pill in order to prepare to talk my way out of a hostage situation. I am just not interested.

If my daughter is a man, i want to be able to talk to doctors and psychitrists about what to do, but they're all chaches and cretins.

She is only three and can almost do monkey bars without help. She probably could if they were lower and i let her try. I am on TRT and can barely bench my body weight. According to genderists, she isnt a girl and Im not a man lol

 

[spamking]

There's a lack of good data on the issue but from my understanding estimates range form under 1% to up to 8%. With the vast increases in patients being referred to gender affirming care I expect that number to go up.

Yep. Especially since this seems to have become more "popular" recently we likely won't know the true impact for several years.

 

[NoSmilez]

I think it is a hit or miss. Some people have success while others face immense regret. I don't have a horse in this but I hope current guidelines require a long period of therapy and evaluation before making this choice.

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

According to whom? Transition regret is real, but all data points to it being very uncommon.

I think it's going to skyrocket in the upcoming years now that transitioning has become a social contagion.

In years past, people came to this decision almost entirely on their own and it took a lot of thought and fortitude to go through with the transition.

These days, children are being pushed toward it by crazy parents and kids are being educated on the subject as if it is a good and virtuous thing to be trans. When the data starts coming out on these kids who wind up in irreversible situations, the story is going to read much different.

 

[Lubaolong]

I think it's going to skyrocket in the upcoming years now that transitioning has become a social contagion.

In years past, people came to this decision almost entirely on their own and it took a lot of thought and fortitude to go through with the transition.

These days, children are being pushed toward it by crazy parents and kids are being educated on the subject as if it is a good and virtuous thing to be trans. When the data starts coming out on these kids who wind up in irreversible situations, the story is going to read much different.

All nonsense.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

I dont know how anyone can call himself a scientist and claim that blocking a puberty with pills can be completely reversable if you just stop taking pills everything is back to normal you good and healthy... I mean its only logical some marks will be left, maybe not even visible, but its clearly not gonna be a same body.

politics > Science

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

taking exogenous androgens or estrogen before the age of 25 can damage neurologic development. as well as stunt growth plates.
This has been common knowledge for years when the topic was focused on males taking exogenous testosterone or females taking exogenous estrogen.


But all of a sudden thats not the case?

Testosterone has about 100 years of research backing its side effect profile short and long term, I cant see how any modern day claims about its safety on developing brains can be plausible or anything outside of political pseudo-science.