Law Don't let your kids chemically transition

[shankmcgank]

Florida is ridiculous with the don't say gay rule

Oh?

Do tell.

What rule would this be? Make sure to source and quote it.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

When I was a kid, I wanted to be Rambo.

 

[fedoriswar37]

I dont know how anyone can call himself a scientist and claim that blocking a puberty with pills can be completely reversable if you just stop taking pills everything is back to normal you good and healthy... I mean its only logical some marks will be left, maybe not even visible, but its clearly not gonna be a same body.

I dont know how somebody with even a 3rd of a brain could think blocking the most important transition a boy/girl goes through, one which many discover things about their body they never knew , is a smart decision

 

[Andy Capp]

Deliberate as in know a boy is a boy but trick them to take girl hormones? No. Misled that this is in their best interests, despite the kids not being mature enough to understand the future impacts of that decision? Rather than encouraging other options more? And the kid allowed to carry on even though everyone knows kids that age make poor decisions and often change their minds massively 6 months later on the things they're interested in? Yes. I see that as misleading. It's being hand waved that this is a "normal" action for someone who, during the puberty development years, feels awkward in their body. Rather than recognizing those awkward feelings are normal for the vast majority at that time, And in a little bit they'll feel more comfortable without drastic life altering action.

Not a great analogy, but it's not unlike how many were misled by career counselors that taking on student debt would be fine, they'll make more than those payments back in the long run. And now we see how many that student loan debt was a massive mistake.

Those career counselors weren't deliberately trying to saddle those kids with a lifetime of irreparable debt. But they did push for one outcome, influencing the kid to make a major decision, and the kid not fully understanding all the connotations of it. And weren't adequately presented other options that might fit them better. .

Can you please define "often change their minds" in terms of hard data?
Also, can you tell me how many of those that "changed their minds" had gone beyond just delaying puberty?

Now, don't get me wrong--when you're that young, you need the guidance of others to keep you from making decisions you will later regret and if that guidance is lacking or non-existent, the availability of these options can lead to some unfortunate outcomes, but you could say that about driving a car or having sex or taking drugs. The thing is, in the case of anything that would be semi-permanent, oversight of doctors performing such procedures is what is needed. I'm not seeing any mention of that here--just trans = bad.

 

[Andy Capp]

Being as how the thread title is about "chemical transition" I recommend y'all check out this article from the Mayo Clinic and educate yourselves.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...horia/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075

What are the criteria for use of pubertal blockers?

To begin using pubertal blockers, a child must:

• Show a long-lasting and intense pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria
• Have gender dysphoria that began or worsened at the start of puberty
• Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with treatment
• Have entered the early stage of puberty
• Provide informed consent

Particularly when a child hasn't reached the age of medical consent, parents or other caretakers or guardians must consent to the treatment and support the adolescent through the treatment process.

What happens when pubertal blockers are stopped?

Use of GnRH analogues pauses puberty, providing time to determine if a child's gender identity is long lasting. It also gives children and their families time to think about or plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues ahead.


If an adolescent child decides to stop taking GnRH analogues, puberty will resume and the normal progression of the physical and emotional changes of puberty will continue.

The first part doesn't appear to have been adhered to in the case of the subject of this article so it's not much wonder things went wrong.

The second part is more to the point in as much as taking the drug doesn't prevent puberty; it only delays it and if you stop taking them you will still go through puberty. The problem, again, is if they are administered improperly. That's a medical profession issue, not a transgender issue.

 

[SKYNET]

Have you any idea how indoctrinated and brainwashed you sound? Or was this a joke post?

You'll know when I'm joking my dear. Quit projecting, it doesn't look good in your own thread

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I dont know how somebody with even a 3rd of a brain could think blocking the most important transition a boy/girl goes through, one which many discover things about their body they never knew , is a smart decision

blocking is a good decision.
kids don't know shit at that age.
as an adult you don't encourage mental illness or confusion. you treat them.

 

[Renard]

It's tiresome seeing people give these procedures the benefit of the doubt or even defending them because the media has mind-fucked them into thinking it's a good idea. That's literally what being a scummy fence-sitter is. "Well I'm not a doctor, so why should I have an opinion?" Yeah blindly worshipping authorities figures and refusing to think for yourself is the problem with this entire fucking planet. Same people would fry people to death because the man in the white coat told them to in the Milgram experiment. It's not complicated. You give your son puberty blockers and he will be infertile, have a Kallmann syndrome-esque physique and a permanent micro-penis. Does that sound like an action made out of love? Meanwhile if he had been allowed to go through puberty there's a 80-90% chance he would have become gay and been happy with who he is. No cancers, no permanent injections and drug regimens, no sterility, nothing.

 

[White Whale]

There was a documentary were adults that transitioned said it was the biggest mistake of their lives.

Allowing children to change their sex is abuse amd neglect.

 

[Staph infection]

Have you any idea how indoctrinated and brainwashed you sound? Or was this a joke post?

It is almost as brainwashed as you spouting the don’t say gay lie in your OP.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Allowing children to change their sex is abuse amd neglect.

they don't change their sex. any science test would confirm they are still the same sex they were at birth.
they just irreversibly mutilate their bodies, play dress-up and take huge amounts of medication for the rest of their lives. and this is if they don't commit suicide because of the weight of the understanding of their mistake.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Its slightly difficult to empathise with this person and everyone like her. If you make the decision to undertake major, severe bodily changes you know there's gonna be SOME issues going forward. Unless, you're mentally ill.

It's like one of those freaks who want a healthy limb amputated, turning around and saying "I never realised I'd be so handicapped with just one arm. And now I can't get it back."

 

[witt1021]

When I was a kid, I wanted to be Rambo.

. And you still can be, just go walking thru towns until you face off with a dick head sheriff, that tells you he doesn’t want your kind around. Game on.

 

[Letssnuggle]

Girl, 17, who transitioned back from a boy reveals how puberty blockers and surgery have 'irreversibly and painfully' ruined her body as she backs Florida law blocking medical interventions

• Chloe Cole told how taking puberty blockers and having surgery damaged her
• She said it left her unlikely to be able to have children and unable to breastfeed
• She also told how she could be at risk of certain types of cancer due to treatment
• Chloe told of her trauma in heartbreaking testimony during a hearing in Florida
• Officials had discussed reimbursements made to those after hormone therapy

Fucking hell. This is terrible. Florida is ridiculous with the don't say gay rule but don't give children life changing decisions, please.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...sition-kids-message-former-trans-girl-17.html

You are obsessed with all things sex.

 

[fedoriswar37]

blocking is a good decision.
kids don't know shit at that age.
as an adult you don't encourage mental illness or confusion. you treat them.

Blocking puberty is bad. Incase you missed my point

 

[Islam Imamate]

In your post it sounded like you believe school children are being deliberately led down such a path. I think there's no evidence of that. It may be a subtle difference, but I felt you implied that it was a deliberate act, whereas I am blaming mere incompetence due to shitty American private healthcare where profit is a motive for lack of effort to dissuade people in such a situation. Further, the lack of informed consent appears to be attached to the surgeries, not the puberty blockers.

There is very little to be concerned about with delaying puberty via medication. If you stop taking it, you will go through puberty after all. Surgery is, of course, a totally different thing, and should be accompanied by long term counselling before it gets to that point, as has always been the process for anyone transitioning to a different gender identity as far as I have known since I first heard of "sex change operations" in the 70's. If this individual's parents and doctor didn't ensure she was properly taken care of that is on them; it isn't evidence the entire idea of transgender youth is bad--it's an anecdote and anecdotes aren't worth a fuck.

Its not just that at all, the Tavistock Institute in the UK, a not for profit clinic, has had similar issues. With only one exception all of their patients that were prescribed puberty blockers went on to be given cross sex hormones and in many cases went on to have surgery. So I'd disagree that there's very little to be worried about in regards to puberty blockers when that almost always leads to cross sex hormones and surgery.

 

[Lubaolong]

Out of all those bullet points, how come you left out these key details?

"The teen said: 'No child should have to experience what I have. My consent was not informed.'

"She said therapists told her prior to transitioning she did not understand the ramifications."

and,
"When speaking about her mastectomys, she said it was a 'was a very graphic process and it was definitely something I wasn't prepared for.'"

So, shitty private doctors and lack of mental health support are to blame here.

She added: 'I'm still in the dark about the overall picture of my health right now.'

It wouldn't matter if she were 15 or 45; this would still be a bad thing. It's not a normal situation.

Who the fuck is "misled into taking puberty blockers"? Misled? GTFO with that shit.
This story is bait for the "They're indoctrinating children" fear mongers and sounds manufactured specifically for the purpose. The article doesn't mention if DeSantis is going to address the shitty doctoring that led to this person not having informed consent, does it? Wonder why? Perhaps it's because finding the root cause is less important than an excuse for outrage toward transgenders to some people.

She says that, but who knows if it’s true.

You should expect right wing outlets to cover this topic with a transphobic spin and try to stir up a panic. This girl’s story fits neatly into the narrative that young people are confused and being made to be trans. Media outlets also seem to be fans of misinformation about treatment and prevalence of transition regret.

 

[Lubaolong]

Its not just that at all, the Tavistock Institute in the UK, a not for profit clinic, has had similar issues. With only one exception all of their patients that were prescribed puberty blockers went on to be given cross sex hormones and in many cases went on to have surgery. So I'd disagree that there's very little to be worried about in regards to puberty blockers when that almost always leads to cross sex hormones and surgery.

If anything, that should signify how uncommon transition regret is. Most people who start on hormone blockers as teens continue the transition process in adulthood.

 

[Islam Imamate]

If anything, that should signify how uncommon transition regret is. Most people who start on hormone blockers as teens continue the transition process in adulthood.

Except we're seeing more and more cases of people who go through that transition and ultimately regret it, especially FtMs who make up the vast majority of new cases being referred to such clinics.

 

[sangreporsangre]

This is just medical capitalism at work. Pharma corporations repurposing drugs that were used on prostate cancer patients and girls whose insane parents thought they were too tall (yes that really happened) for a trendy new (unverifiable) diagnosis, fueled by media contagion, that can create an extremely lucrative patient-for-life scenario. People who advocate for these drugs to be used to suppress a child's puberty are either: A) making money off of this medical scandal B) so caught up in polarizing social media "discourse" that they will support anything that they are told will "own the chuds" or C) philes. There really aren't any other options.

There's a reason that countries like Sweden and Finland have moved away from this insane practice. It will be remembered like the lobotomy.