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[Lubaolong]

Solid rebuttal...

When you just make up a bunch of stuff that's not based in reality about something you know little about, no rebuttal is necessary.

 

[HereticBD]

When you just make up a bunch of stuff that's not based in reality about something you know little about, no rebuttal is necessary.

At least you didn't call him gay for disagreeing with you.

 

[mkess101]

You are clueless.

Yes I'll just take your word for it over what prison guards in the Washington state penal system have witnessed.

Lubalong on Sherdog knows better what's happening in these prisons LMAO.

Go away clown shoes if this is the type of "discussion" you aim to have.

 

[Bob Gray]

When you just make up a bunch of stuff that's not based in reality about something you know little about, no rebuttal is necessary.

What is it you disagree with? There are biological males housed in women's prisons, and there was an accusation of rape against one. Is there something specific you're arguing about?

 

[mkess101]

What is it you disagree with? There are biological males housed in women's prisons, and there was an accusation of rape against one. Is there something specific you're arguing about?

It's become fairly obvious that if there's so much as a whiff of anyone having views that don't synch up with his own (see: never question anything promoting the unfettered access of anyone claiming to be trans or non binary to anything, biology means nothing) he will saddle up and go to war over it.

 

[Dan O]

Seems to me that in our hyper-capitalist world the scientific and healthcare "community" is striving to maximize profits as its first priority, far ahead of providing "the best care". That's why we see entire communities devastated by opioids, why we see young boys being drugged so they can sit still in class, it's why we've seen any number of medical scandals. Now we see the creation of a lucrative new market with the "trans kid" industry and somehow we're supposed to look at it as removed from that context somehow. Your faith in the medical-indistrial complex is misplaced imo and the "trans kid" industry will be remembered as a scandal like the lobotomy but even worse.

If you can get them addicted to the product you have a customer for life.

The only difference between fenty drug lords and pharma is that one is legal. Same concept.

The hecklers got people hooked, legally. Just because they make the Fortune 500 doesn’t mean they aren’t scum bag drug dealers.

These kids are a bottom line dollar figure. That’s it. Why wouldn’t they jump on an emerging market that’s 100% legal.

 

[Lubaolong]

Yes I'll just take your word for it over what prison guards in the Washington state penal system have witnessed.

Lubalong on Sherdog knows better what's happening in these prisons LMAO.

Go away clown shoes if this is the type of "discussion" you aim to have.

Prisons are full of unemployable, sadistic, minimally-educated individuals. Some of these play the role of the incarcerated, while others end up as the correctional officers that the prisons employ.

It should be no surprise to hear that misinformation is commonly spread by these prison staffers. If they were on Sherdog, they would be the turds like you posting threads about pizzagate, chemtrails, and covid conspiracies.

Yes, you should take my word over some anonymous prison guard. I do know a bit more than you. I'm what some would call an expert among experts. You're lucky to be having any conversation with me, bro. Show some respect.

 

[mkess101]

Prisons are full of unemployable, sadistic, minimally-educated individuals. Some of these play the role of the incarcerated, while others end up as the correctional officers that the prisons employ.

It should be no surprise to hear that misinformation is commonly spread by these prison staffers. If they were on Sherdog, they would be the turds like you posting threads about pizzagate, chemtrails, and covid conspiracies.

Yes, you should take my word over some anonymous prison guard. I do know a bit more than you. I'm what some would call an expert among experts. You're lucky to be having any conversation with me, bro. Show some respect.

You're an anonymous poster on a fucking forum, sport. You're "an expert" about what happens in prisons across the country...that you've never been to even one time? Stop and think about that for a second...because I don't believe you're an idiot and I think you can hash out for yourself why that's so stupid.

Your take is essentially "We can't believe anything said by anyone in a prison because they're all the dregs of society, both inmates and employees." I mean...WTF? Of course prisons employ some shitty people, maybe more than most other professions since it's harder to entice the best and brightest of society to spend their days locked inside walls with the worst of society. To make the leap that we can't believe anything said by any of those in that vocation though...what an utterly ridiculous sentiment.

And then your bitch ass comically starts yapping about me posting threads about things I've literally never talked about here LMAO. Not once, ever. Like...you can search my entire post history and not only would you never find a thread created by me about that shit, you wouldn't even find a post by me in any of those threads that were started by someone else.

Much easier for you to say the inmates, prison employees, and anyone else telling these stories are just "lying transphobes" so you can move on with your day and not have what's seemingly a pretty obvious agenda challenged.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/202...-inmates-sexually-assaulting-female-prisoners

https://mynorthwest.com/3445157/dor...ologically-male-prisoners-transgender-inmate/

"Nope nope nope. Not a shred of it could be true, they're all just lying. It's inconceivable it could be true, no males would ever take advantage of these new rules to gain access to women. Impossible!"

FFS bud...if you want respect you gotta pull your head out of your ass first. That's step one.

 

[Bald1]

You're an anonymous poster on a fucking forum, sport. You're "an expert" about what happens in prisons across the country...that you've never been to even one time? Stop and think about that for a second...because I don't believe you're an idiot and I think you can hash out for yourself why that's so stupid.

Your take is essentially "We can't believe anything said by anyone in a prison because they're all the dregs of society, both inmates and employees." I mean...WTF? Of course prisons employ some shitty people, maybe more than most other professions since it's harder to entice the best and brightest of society to spend their days locked inside walls with the worst of society. To make the leap that we can't believe anything said by any of those in that vocation though...what an utterly ridiculous sentiment.

And then your bitch ass comically starts yapping about me posting threads about things I've literally never talked about here LMAO. Not once, ever. Like...you can search my entire post history and not only would you never find a thread created by me about that shit, you wouldn't even find a post by me in any of those threads that were started by someone else.

Much easier for you to say the inmates, prison employees, and anyone else telling these stories are just "lying transphobes" so you can move on with your day and not have what's seemingly a pretty obvious agenda challenged.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/202...-inmates-sexually-assaulting-female-prisoners

https://mynorthwest.com/3445157/dor...ologically-male-prisoners-transgender-inmate/

"Nope nope nope. Not a shred of it could be true, they're all just lying. It's inconceivable it could be true, no males would ever take advantage of these new rules to gain access to women. Impossible!"

FFS bud...if you want respect you gotta pull your head out of your ass first. That's step one.

The guy has a long track record of trolling or mental illness. Not sure which one, nor do I care, but he's a waste of time.

 

[mkess101]

The guy has a long track record of trolling or mental illness. Not sure which one, nor do I care, but he's a waste of time.

Noted, thank you.

 

[Lubaolong]

What is it you disagree with? There are biological males housed in women's prisons, and there was an accusation of rape against one. Is there something specific you're arguing about?

Men do not get housed with females "based only on their request . . . the inmate's word determines what happens." This is just more dumb misinformation. There's a CDCR chief psychiatrist who seeks me out almost weekly. I can ask how many approved transfer requests they've granted. I guarantee it's tiny, probably less than 5%. It's obviously not based only on the inmate's preference. There's a lengthy evaluation process involving many people.

There's a rape allegations against one ... ok? What's the significance? Is it rare for rape to happen in prison? Do you know transgender inmates housed with men are much more likely to be victims of rape than anyone else? A 2007 study by CDCR found 59% of transgender women in their prisons experienced sexual abuse, a rate thirteen times higher than the general prison population.

 

[Lubaolong]

The guy has a long track record of trolling or mental illness. Not sure which one, nor do I care, but he's a waste of time.

One of us has almost 7 figures coming in each year. The other is a laborer who got fired from a warehouse. I'm sure calling me a troll or mentally ill makes you feel better, but let's be honest. I think we both know who's the waste of time.

 

[Bald1]

One of us has almost 7 figures coming in each year. The other is a laborer who got fired from a warehouse. I'm sure calling me a troll or mentally ill makes you feel better, but let's be honest. I think we both know who's the waste of time.

Once again, swing and a miss.

 

[Bob Gray]

Men do not get housed with females "based only on their request . . . the inmate's word determines what happens." This is just more dumb misinformation. There's a CDCR chief psychiatrist who seeks me out almost weekly. I can ask how many approved transfer requests they've granted. I guarantee it's tiny, probably less than 5%. It's obviously not based only on the inmate's preference. There's a lengthy evaluation process involving many people.

There's a rape allegations against one ... ok? What's the significance? Is it rare for rape to happen in prison? Do you know transgender inmates housed with men are much more likely to be victims of rape than anyone else? A 2007 study by CDCR found 59% of transgender women in their prisons experienced sexual abuse, a rate thirteen times higher than the general prison population.

Thats fair. But you're taking issue with line of his post and ignoring the rest and saying he doesnt know what hes talking about and that hes "just making stuff up". This a common tactic on both sides. Ignore most of whats said to try to concentrate on one little thing that you can show is "wrong", and then somehow everything else is meaningless. It's a dishonest tactic. Someone can be mostly or partially right before they're entirely wrong and nothing they say has any truth to it and theyre a huge liar and a butthole.

 

[Lubaolong]

Thats fair. But you're taking issue with line of his post and ignoring the rest and saying he doesnt know what hes talking about

There was literally nothing else. That was the entire gist of his post. Go back and read what he said. His entire post was only a few sentences long and was solely about predatory male prisoners deciding where they get housed.

 

[mkess101]

There was literally nothing else. That was the entire gist of his post. Go back and read what he said. His entire post was only a few sentences long and was solely about predatory male prisoners deciding where they get housed.

It's literally how the laws are being written and the articles I posted reference large amounts of transfer requests based specifically on the wording of these new laws. You saying "it's not happening" is ridiculous and disingenuous. The laws being written that way are new. Now the system is trying to figure out how to deal with them. There are reports of biological males utilizing the access to women's prisons granted by the wording of these new laws to have both consensual sex and to sexually assault women. Of course your answer is to simply dismiss those reports because "Well ahh inmates and prison workers are all scum and are incapable of telling the truth." The exception of course to you would be whoever reports the rapes of trans women in prisons...right? Those reports all must be true, it's only the trans women in prisons that report being assaulted that don't lie...

The worst part is that you then deflect by referencing the amount of sexual assaults that happen to trans women who are housed with men. Which sure is a problem, one I've never denied. The answer to that isn't laws worded in a way that grants the inmates a huge say in where they are housed FFS. A very simple solution is to house any biological male that identifies as female in a separate prison altogether. Is there a reason we can't do this? Seems like a logical fix that uses common sense to address multiple issues, right?

 

[SBJJ]

One of us has almost 7 figures coming in each year. The other is a laborer who got fired from a warehouse. I'm sure calling me a troll or mentally ill makes you feel better, but let's be honest. I think we both know who's the waste of time.

No man. You didn't just post this.

 

[Andy Capp]

It's an excerpt from a handbook for force-teaming, I'm illustrating how TRA's use the language of other struggles to promote their own, and that's all. I'm not sure what else you want.

I'm against intersectionalism. If that pisses you off so be it.

Hopefully you will at some point direct your instinct to self-police people with this exact same energy when someone from your ideological camp does exactly what you are accusing me of doing.

Try to understand, honoroable man that you are, that I have respect for you so I aggressively challenge your positions where we disagree in order to better understand you and them and in the hopes you will better understand my view. I perhaps expect overmuch, being as how I'm also rather self-critical and it gives me a rather over-developed sense of right and wrong. Please note that there tend to be pretty specific circumstances in place before I interject in an adversarial and mouthy manner.
1. It's only after several posts on an inflammatory topic, e.g. being fat is your own fault so put down the fork fatty and get off your fat arse if you don't want to be gross and fat
2. said posts disregard the science they purport to support, if you're a tranny you're crazy
3. you sound angry about something that really has no effect on you whatsoever...

I have a great deal of respect and appreciation for your continuing to show up for your job day to day.
Working in healthcare is a thankless calling. My mother was an LNA for 30-odd years and my brother works in a similar job to this day.

I don't even know what the fuck intersectionalism is. Just respect each person as an individual human being and you'll get no side eye from me.


I still have no idea what the fuck that thread was about beyond a single anecdote that isn't worth a fuck so I'm going to need a pointer at exactly what it is you want me to see. Because most of what I see is trannys are bad because of made up reasons, leftists are bad because of made up reasons, Democrats are bad because of made up reasons, but don't worry about us conservatives, we're the good guys.

 

[salamander]

I'm going to explain this one last time.

The post I made was to illustrate how through force-teaming TRA's use the struggle of other groups to advance their own.

The information I used comes from the Transgender Law Centres Lake Research Partners which is an actual handbook for TRA's.

This relates to the my position that intersectionality is poison to black aspiration. This potion that I have been consistent on.

An example of this poisonous advocacy would be every time @Loiosh opens mouth about black people. But here's another example from the Transgender thread:

I think what gets missed by a lot of people on the right is the emotional subtext of their "logical objections" or "hashing out ideas". This isn't an issue of ideological conformity, this is an issue of not being a dick to a massively vulnerable and emotionally abused demographic.

I'm guessing that most of the people on this forum understand that it would be offensive if a bunch of white people got together, put on blackface and started making monkey noises to protest whatever group of black people they were in disagreement with.

Now here's @Bald1 with an excellent response to that garbage:

Just as trans women aren't women you can't ride a seahorse in a rodeo. Demanding I participate in that sort of thing is what I'm talking about. The name says they're not women. This is a fundamental disagreement. They should be treated with the same dignity as anyone else, but don't demand I change reality.

And let's not equate racism based slavery (the origins of minstrel shows) to the minor inconvenience (in a general sense) to the struggles of people who have the same rights as everyone else and have overrepresentation in media.

This is the sort of ideological subversion I'm talking about. I'm not going to hate on anyone different than me, I will support their right to pursue happiness, but I will not participate nor will I treat an entire group of people as their worst, or best, representative. Some are dealing with challenges, but as you so painfully go out of your way to ignore, there will be some people that will abuse their cause to further their own goals.

So as a group no identity gets a free pass to unquestioning support.

-You admitted you didn't know what "TRA's" were when I first unsuccessfully tried to clarify my post. I had to tell you what the acronyms meant.

-You admitted you didn't know what the terms "force-teaming" meant when I explained my motive for making the post. I had to tell you what the term meant.

-You admitted you weren't clear on the term "intersectionality". Again I had tell you what the the word meant.

Those three elements form the basis of my argument and are elements which you admit to being entirely ignorant on...yet are somehow convinced of some sort of evil intent on my part.

I consider trans people to be the same as any other person in that they get the same amount of respect any other human in the world gets. They are not inherently bad or good, and any judgement as to their character and actions must be made on a case by case basis instead of collectively. This isn't just a mere mindset but rather a spiritual imperative for me, that while not perfect, it informs my conduct when going forth by day.

Trans rights as a movement is essentially a religion. It has it's own commandments and methods of excommunication. It has heresies and heretics, eternal antagonists, it requires purity tests and constant affirmation of it's social and moral primacy, it has it's star chambers, demands ideology conformity and brooks no dissent or deviation from their belief system that requires an individual to suspend their belief in objective reality.

Religion is fair game for criticism. I criticize mine all the time.
We alive in a world where Christians are expected to be silent in the face of things like piss Christ or when bigoted hypocrites like @Loiosh start with the vampire jokes.

This means I'm perfectly within my right to give this religion of AGP Men and dysphoric women the same amount of "respect" that mine gets here. That excerpt of the handbook I posted through the link is for what are essentially ideological missionaries. Missionaries who have threatened, harassed, defamed, deplatformed and slandered women like Julie Bindle. J.K Rowling, Buck Angel, Lindsay Shepard, Kiera Bell, Maya Forstater, Gina Carano...now i know the common default setting would be to figure out which ones are right wing and which ones are leftwing before you decide on the validity of their opinions, but the commonality of that these women share is tha they are women. Women who have been persecuted by this religion you are so strenuously whiteknighting.

Ok, I hope that explains everything because I'm absolutely done explaining my post to you. If you don't understand what I was trying to say, then you never will.

Hopefully you use this same relentless single-minded energy to tone-police leftists posters who actually do what you seem to be accusing me of. However that may require me to suspend my belief in objective reality.

I mean, one can only pray...

 

[Kirra]

Prove it. There been a lot of stuff thrown around about topics like that. Initially it was shown that trans suicide rates didn't change even post-op. Then came a study that something along the lines of gender affirming care lowering suicide rate by some astronomical rate, like 70 or 80%.

No surprise that such a study garnered criticism for it's findings:

https://www.heritage.org/gender/com...-kids-actually-prevent-suicide-heres-what-the


So how can you prove that these treatments prevent suicides to the point that they can be called "life-saving"?

Perhaps you can link me to an actual medical website instead of an conservative blog that starts bashing "The Left" in the very first sentence?

This is an emotional and medical issue, not a political one. I have no idea how conservatives can't see this.

As for your request, here you go. You could have googled it yourself if you were actually interested:

https://scholar.google.no/scholar?q...t#d=gs_qabs&t=1658179667630&u=#p=4wofw_LCnfMJ

"Use of GAHT was associated with lower odds of recent depression (adjusted odds ratio [aOR] = .73, p < .001) and seriously considering suicide (aOR = .74, p < .001) compared to those who wanted GAHT but did not receive it. For youth under age 18, GAHT was associated with lower odds of recent depression (aOR = .61, p < .01) and of a past-year suicide attempt (aOR = .62, p < .05).
Conclusions
Findings support a relationship between access to GAHT and lower rates of depression and suicidality among transgender and nonbinary youth."