Law Don't let your kids chemically transition

[Fox by the Sea]

What are the chances these Gender affirming clinics can spot such cases? I've no confidence they would tbh.

they'd be out of business if they cared to.
it's a money grab, man.

 

[Lubaolong]

I know a guy on another forum who admitted he wanted to be a girl when he was a kid but says he grew out of it and is glad he is a dude now. Brave of him to admit it but I'm sure there are lots of kids going through phases where it seems like the opposite sex has it better but they grow out of it. What are the chances these Gender affirming clinics can spot such cases? I've no confidence they would tbh.

There are small numbers of people who have regrets. Can’t realistically hope to screen 100% of these people out. That’s very true. But there are people who have regrets about every medical intervention / surgery. Regret in transgender people seems to be orders of magnitude less than many other procedures. Other things to keep in mind are this is usually a slow process that involves a team of people, hormone therapy is often not given until 16, and surgery before adulthood is rare (if they choose to have it at all).

 

[chardog]

prove that it's medically necessary or wait till they're 18 and can do it on their own dime

this stuff looks and smells like a profit driven racket by big pharm, to the detriment of society, not surprised they are going after the young and impressionable, easier to manipulate with mere billboards

by any chance is the biologic industry patents going to die this decade? shit has been a real racket aside from covid.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

There are small numbers of people who have regrets. Can’t realistically hope to screen 100% of these people out. That’s very true. But there are people who have regrets about every medical intervention / surgery.

gaslighting to give the impression of normality.

Regret in transgender people seems to be orders of magnitude less than many other procedures

source?

 

[salamander]

I have not seen nor heard of this thread. But sure, if you want to drop I will also let it go. It's one of those days.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/ive-been-saying-it-starts-at-home.4246937/page-7
Read the whole exchange.

After that I fully expect you to go after him for his racism with the same force and zeal that you come after me all the time with for having the temerity to speak about it.

I want you needle him for his evidence behind his racist screeds and reflexively cast doubt on everything he says like you do to me, and ADMIT that yes, leftist posters can indeed be every bit of racist as the right wing peeps you have np problem complaining.

Consider this a test of your character.

EDIT: Sorry man. It's my last week of work and it's been a slog. Apologies for m tone

 

[Lubaolong]

they'd be out of business if they cared to.
it's a money grab, man.

Lmao. Most of these clinics, at least where I’ve lived, have been at large academic teaching hospitals. I have about 10 transgender patients I treat now, and their options for specialty clinics are basically UCSF or Stanford.

 

[salamander]

One of the strategic points goes further on the plan to crush opposition to the demands of trans-identified males, advising trans activists to “call out the villains” by "exploiting divisions across race." It then provides an example of associating trans youth with Black students who are academically penalized for their hair, or female students who are told their clothes don't meet dress codes.

In a recent article for 4W, Black Marxist-feminist writer Jennifer Seiland has decried the constant references to racial minorities by trans activists in an attempt to bolster their arguments, noting: "The tactic is a brilliant one... after all, if one succeeds in obfuscating the meaning of “woman,” then on what basis can any woman, even those who aren't but self-identify as such, be excluded?"

On the hotly contested issue of males competing in women's sports teams, the narrative guide encourages activists to "connect the attacks on trans woman athletes to the long legacy of discrimination against all women athletes." The guide states that amongst its focus groups "this message both shifted our audiences from an individual to a collective mindset and disrupted transphobic conceptions of transgender girls and women as actually male." It goes on to give an example quote of framing:

"Women’s sports have never existed on an equal playing field. For too long, we have devalued women’s sports, and we see this in the way that professional women athletes are underpaid compared to men and how transgender women athletes are targeted, attacked, and forced out of their sport. And instead of striving for equality in sports, certain politicians are distracting us from the real issue by blaming transgender women, instead of helping make sports a better place for all women."
A recent poll has shown that 1 in 3 Americans "strongly oppose" biological males being allowed to play on women's collegiate sports, with 56% of U.S adults expressing a belief that trans-identified males have an inherent competitive advantage.

One of the strategic points goes further on the plan to crush opposition to the demands of trans-identified males, advising trans activists to “call out the villains” by "exploiting divisions across race." It then provides an example of associating trans youth with Black students who are academically penalized for their hair, or female students who are told their clothes don't meet dress codes.

In a recent article for 4W, Black Marxist-feminist writer Jennifer Seiland has decried the constant references to racial minorities by trans activists in an attempt to bolster their arguments, noting: "The tactic is a brilliant one... after all, if one succeeds in obfuscating the meaning of “woman,” then on what basis can any woman, even those who aren't but self-identify as such, be excluded?"

On the hotly contested issue of males competing in women's sports teams, the narrative guide encourages activists to "connect the attacks on trans woman athletes to the long legacy of discrimination against all women athletes." The guide states that amongst its focus groups "this message both shifted our audiences from an individual to a collective mindset and disrupted transphobic conceptions of transgender girls and women as actually male." It goes on to give an example quote of framing:

"Women’s sports have never existed on an equal playing field. For too long, we have devalued women’s sports, and we see this in the way that professional women athletes are underpaid compared to men and how transgender women athletes are targeted, attacked, and forced out of their sport. And instead of striving for equality in sports, certain politicians are distracting us from the real issue by blaming transgender women, instead of helping make sports a better place for all women."
A recent poll has shown that 1 in 3 Americans "strongly oppose" biological males being allowed to play on women's collegiate sports, with 56% of U.S adults expressing a belief that trans-identified males have an inherent competitive advantage.
https://4w.pub/trans-activist-guide-encourages-forced-teaming/

 

[salamander]

Biological sex is not perfectly binary. Intersex individuals exist, and our laws should accommodate them.

Intersex people generally revile any type of force-teaming with trannies.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Lmao. Most of these clinics, at least where I’ve lived, have been at large academic teaching hospitals. I have about 10 transgender patients I treat now, and their options for specialty clinics are basically UCSF or Stanford.

still waiting for the source on that claim of yours that "Regret in transgender people seems to be orders of magnitude less than many other procedures".
go get some study about 20 people that had MOM tatted on their face and do a comparison with 20 people that cut their genitals off and post it here as firm scientific analysis.

 

[unimackpass]

It's one study, nitwit. It's not all there is. But like I said, cheers to you, vent your spleen all you like. I'm out.

"You can't handle the truth."

 

[salamander]

I haven’t checked, but with the Pfizer/Moderna comment and all the conspiracy talk, I’m curious if these same people denying the existence of trans/non-binary identity and wanting to deny these kids medical care are the same people who rally against Dr Fauci, think COVID is a hoax, don’t believe in vaccines, etc. it seems like there might be considerable overlap.

You are waaay smarter than this post.

C'mon man....

 

[Lubaolong]

still waiting for the source on that claim of yours that "Regret in transgender people seems to be orders of magnitude less than many other procedures".
go get some study about 20 people that had MOM tatted on their face and do a comparison with 20 people that cut their genitals off and post it here as firm scientific analysis.

Read this thread. I’m not going to rehash stuff that’s already been discussed.

 

[salamander]

Lmao. Most of these clinics, at least where I’ve lived, have been at large academic teaching hospitals. I have about 10 transgender patients I treat now, and their options for specialty clinics are basically UCSF or Stanford.

Do find you that AGP looms just as large as dysphoria in your patients in any significant ratio?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Read this thread. I’m not going to rehash stuff that’s already been discussed.

so you got nothing. as expected.

 

[Lubaolong]

You are waaay smarter than this post.

C'mon man....

I’m not trying to insult anyone, but I’ve come to the realization that there seems to be a lot of commonality (conservative, religious, prone to belief in conspiracies). I usually don’t waste a lot of time trying to argue with these type of people online. I just wanted to share some thoughts, point out some absurdities, and that’s about it.

 

[Lubaolong]

Do find you that AGP looms just as large as dysphoria in your patients in any significant ratio?

I see probably 1000 different people in any given year. Having 10 transgender patient is essentially 1%, and it’s never the primary reason I’m seeing them. So none of this stuff “looms large” in the majority of the people I see. Autogynephilia seems more related to transvestic disorder than gender dysphoria. I honestly don’t know the comorbidity % between the two, but I would guess it’s probably not the highest. You might be able to look it up.

 

[salamander]

I’m not trying to insult anyone, but I’ve come to the realization that there seems to be a lot of commonality (conservative, religious, prone to belief in conspiracies). I usually don’t waste a lot of time trying to argue with these type of people online. I just wanted to share some thoughts, point out some absurdities, and that’s about it.

I understand, and I apologize for whinging or pre-judging you.

Lately it just seems that as healthworkers we've collectively allowed the political calculus to creep into the golden rules (DIPPS) of client centered care.

From my (personal) perspective it seems that instead of the pre-pandemic, pre-tiktok exhibitionism era of political agnosticism that gave us the professional gravitas that inspired public trust instead of social divisions, we have now entered a realm where people who have used vaccines all their lives are called "anti-vaxxers" who are inherently "racist and misogynist."

It's been making me a bit squirrely.

 

[Kirra]

The "comeback" is only used when talking about homosexuals.

Sorry, you lose again.

See, this is why it's pointless to argue with you. I am actually discussing this in good faith, you're trying to win an argument at all cost.

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

See, this is why it's pointless to argue with you. I am actually discussing this in good faith, you're trying to win an argument at all cost.

I discussed it in good faith as well and destroyed your logic again.

This is why you skipped past all of that and concentrated on the final sentence which has nothing to do with what we were discussing. That means that you have no response because you know you're wrong.

So stop using the people you're pretending to care so much about as an insult to others if you truly care about them.

 

[Kirra]

I discussed it in good faith as well and destroyed your logic again.

This is why you skipped past all of that and concentrated on the final sentence which has nothing to do with what we were discussing. That means that you have no response because you know you're wrong.

So stop using the people you're pretending to care so much about as an insult to others if you truly care about them.

I didn't respond because your post makes zero sense and I wasn't in the mood to start explaining why.

If you want to take that as a win, then go right ahead. It's all yours.

As for the last paragraph, I've already explained my position, you're just going around in circles now.