Donald Trump's 10 Point Immigration Plan

[smithwick]

You're taking a step back.

Nope.

Those jobs are there because Americans can't earn a living wage doing them.

The jobs exist because the businesses don't want to pay minimum wage or simply don't want to do the work because of the conditions.

The bleeding hearts are fine with illegals making shit wages for some reason, though while insisting they also qualify for welfare.

Any more irrelevant points to shoehorn in ?

I'm not ok with any of it but I understand how it's a complex arrangement that firmly falls within the framework of Capitalism.

 

[kenetics]

I agree the contractors who employ illegals and/or keep immigrants on the books after their visas expire should be hunted down and punished. But coming into this country illegally is against the law so you can't be without blame if you go that route. Illegals must take that blame, and they do because they want to be here. We don't need people like you defending their crime.

So if your family is suffering because there are no jobs, goverment is corrupted and your children are starving, you won't break the law to have a fighting chance to better there future?

I get tired of people like you who haven't been their situation mainly because they were born into poverty and corruption. Get off your high horse.

 

[lfd0311]

You're taking a step back. Those jobs are there because Americans can't earn a living wage doing them. The bleeding hearts are fine with illegals making shit wages for some reason, though while insisting they also qualify for welfare.

Nope.



The jobs exist because the businesses don't want to pay minimum wage or simply don't want to do the work because of the conditions.



Any more irrelevant points to shoehorn in ?

I'm not ok with any of it but I understand how it's a complex arrangement that firmly falls within the framework of Capitalism.

You guys are both right. The reason Americans can't and won't for the most part work those jobs is because the wage has been driven so low by illegal immigrants. It was done intentionally by American Capitialists to increase profit margins and keep the cost of goods down. This didn't happen by accident, and the so called bleeding hearts don't give an honest two shits about the people they're exploiting. They know they're exploiting them, but it's to thier own benefit. That's why you can see signs like I used to see in Southern California openly advertising laborers wanted to pick vegetables and fruit for 4 bucks an hour, and nothing is done about it. Because the Dems in charge don't want anything to be done about it.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Out of curisotiy why do we blame the illegals for "driving down wages" when in fact the giant corporations who hire them refuse to pay them a proper wage.

I blame the businesses and corporation on this one. No one has a gun to their heads, stopping them from doing just thst

 

[Seano]

Nope.

Yep.

The jobs exist because the businesses don't want to pay minimum wage or simply don't want to do the work because of the conditions.

Minimum wage isn't a living wage for people who live in many areas where illegals are prevalent in the workforce.

Any more irrelevant points to shoehorn in ?

I'm not ok with any of it but I understand how it's a complex arrangement that firmly falls within the framework of Capitalism.

Its not irrelevant. Illegals help keep wages low for positions which would suit unskilled laborers. Why would you pay an American a living wage that you'd have to document when you can exploit a willing patsy who will work for peanuts?

I never said there wasn't fault on both sides.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Here's an interesting article from the WSJ.

many different points of view are shown here.


http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016...wn-wages-for-low-income-workers-but-how-much/

 

[smithwick]

Minimum wage isn't a living wage for people who live in many areas where illegals are prevalent in the workforce.

It isn't a livable wage in any metro area in the country.

Its not irrelevant. Illegals help keep wages low for positions which would suit unskilled laborers. Why would you pay an American a living wage that you'd have to document when you can exploit a willing patsy who will work for peanuts?

I never said there wasn't fault on both sides.

Illegals do nothing but accept the offer being presented to them. Illegal immigrants subsidize low prices of everything. If the offer is taken away in the current system of capitalism our economy basically crumbles as we know it due to massive inflation.

 

[shamaniac]

thats a good plan

 

[CableandThanos]

So if your family is suffering because there are no jobs, goverment is corrupted and your children are starving, you won't break the law to have a fighting chance to better there future?

I get tired of people like you who haven't been their situation mainly because they were born into poverty and corruption. Get off your high horse.

Sure I might, but I would also know that my ass might have to suffer the consequences instead of having people take up for me.

If I break the law and get caught, I may have to pay the piper.

You are basically giving every person who deals drugs and excuse.

Inner city guy- Hey man, you haven't lived in my shoes, I had to sell drugs, get off your high horse.

RATIONAL PERSON- Ohh yea, well what about the millions of other poor people who chose not to sell drugs and break the law?

 

[kenetics]

Dealing drugs to make money, vs working a job is different. And yes i would come over illegal to help my family plain and simple.

 

[bellend]

Sure I might, but I would also know that my ass might have to suffer the consequences instead of having people take up for me.

If I break the law and get caught, I may have to pay the piper.

You are basically giving every person who deals drugs and excuse.

Inner city guy- Hey man, you haven't lived in my shoes, I had to sell drugs, get off your high horse.

RATIONAL PERSON- Ohh yea, well what about the millions of other poor people who chose not to sell drugs and break the law?

You're committing the false equivalency fallacy here. Working a job in construction, picking vegetables, hard labor etc... isn't illegal. Selling drugs is.

 

[AgedFlatus]

So if your family is suffering because there are no jobs, goverment is corrupted and your children are starving, you won't break the law to have a fighting chance to better there future?

I get tired of people like you who haven't been their situation mainly because they were born into poverty and corruption. Get off your high horse.

Perhaps stop breeding like rabbits if you can't afford kids? I get tired of people like you that think others should pay for some peoples bad choices.

 

[dontsnitch]

You're committing the false equivalency fallacy here. Working a job in construction, picking vegetables, hard labor etc... isn't illegal. Selling drugs is.

His point is valid. Sure we can understand criminals stealing to make ends meet, but that shouldn't mean we condone it or justify it. If we start breaking laws because life is not fair, and accept this as the norm, our society would break down.

It may be sad when someone resorts to crime, but they should still be punished.

 

[kenetics]

Perhaps stop breeding like rabbits if you can't afford kids? I get tired of people like you that think others should pay for some peoples bad choices.

So you never make bad choices in your life ha? I agree people shouldn't have kids that they can't afford but im sure your not perfect..

 

[CableandThanos]

Dealing drugs to make money, vs working a job is different. And yes i would come over illegal to help my family plain and simple.

and when you got caught, pay the price and shut the fuck up

 

[bellend]

His point is valid. Sure we can understand criminals stealing to make ends meet, but that shouldn't mean we condone it or justify it. If we start breaking laws because life is not fair, and accept this as the norm, our society would break down.

It may be sad when someone resorts to crime, but they should still be punished.

His point isn't valid. Selling drugs is a crime, working for a legal business isn't.

 

[CableandThanos]

You're committing the false equivalency fallacy here. Working a job in construction, picking vegetables, hard labor etc... isn't illegal. Selling drugs is.

WTF, coming her illegally and working a job lllegall is illegal, the same as selling drugs.

Illegal is illegal.

And my bigger point was to the guy using the excuse, "YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN IN MY SITUATION, GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE"

Any poor person could use that excuse.

 

[CableandThanos]

So you never make bad choices in your life ha? I agree people shouldn't have kids that they can't afford but im sure your not perfect..

sure i made bad choices, but im not asking everyone else, especially in another fuckin country to pay for my mistakes.

 

[CableandThanos]

His point isn't valid. Selling drugs is a crime, working for a legal business isn't.

If your ass is illegal and you are working illegally, that is illegal

being illegal and working a job illegally is the same as using the excuse as my family need money so I will sell drugs.

 

[kenetics]

and when you got caught, pay the price and shut the fuck up

So you wouldn't leave a deprive, corrupted country to better your life and your family? I dont care about a law that says i cant make a future because i wasn't born on some land.
A land that the natives actually occupied before it was stolen from them.