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Economy Donald trump to impose Tariffs feb.1st.

How would you suggest we do it? I feel like we run into this same issue with everything: the average citizen doesn’t understand it, we explain it, they get mad at us for explaining it and act like we’re arrogant. Rinse and repeat.
If we point out Trump’s overreach, it’s just becomes a meme to them. I’ve wondered if we’d have more success if we used the word tariff less and just used “tax” instead, as most everyone understands that. But I’m sure we’d get accused of lying: “Those aren’t taxes on us, they’re tariffs on China, stupid lying libs!”—that sort of thing.

I think we’ve been pretty clear that tariffs just jack up prices at a time when we certainly don’t want that, and that getting in a trade war with allies will just cause us to lose allies. That’s about as simple as it gets.
Yeah, this instinct to immediately blame Democrats for the fuck ups of Republicans is so played out.
The Democrats could absolutely do a much better job at messaging...no question. But this isn't a problem of Democratic messaging, it's a problem of Republican actions.

There's only so much you can say to counteract an action, especially when the negative effects of some of these moves won't be seen until a few years down the line. So Trump and the Republicans get credit for whatever short term benefits come from what they do now, but when that bill shows up 3 years later, it gets blamed on the Democrats.

I've heard plenty of times on mainstream media and online media that "tariffs are bad".
And the response is "TDS" or "Biden got us in this, and Trump is going to get us out".
The people that don't get it, don't want to get it.
 
How would you suggest we do it? I feel like we run into this same issue with everything: the average citizen doesn’t understand it, we explain it, they get mad at us for explaining it and act like we’re arrogant. Rinse and repeat.
If we point out Trump’s overreach, it’s just becomes a meme to them. I’ve wondered if we’d have more success if we used the word tariff less and just used “tax” instead, as most everyone understands that. But I’m sure we’d get accused of lying: “Those aren’t taxes on us, they’re tariffs on China, stupid lying libs!”—that sort of thing.

I think we’ve been pretty clear that tariffs just jack up prices at a time when we certainly don’t want that, and that getting in a trade war with allies will just cause us to lose allies. That’s about as simple as it gets.
"It is the dem's fault that I voted for an insurrectionist pig that promoted inflation inflammatory policies, insert some rant about trans-people or Disney movies being "woke" "


It is literally just their shitty attempt at gaslighting. So called "centrists" folks are just self conscious Trumpers that are too pussy to come out the closet because they are aware that MAGA has a unsavory image for valid reasons....I have less respect for them than the hardcore MAGA types.
 
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This puts things in better perspective but I think you are being histronic. The country won't slip into authoritarianism over calling people what they want to be called. By your logic, we should cancel religion and religious institutions because of the Crusades.
Is your government saying that denying the existence of God or questioning someone's religion is a human rights violation that can get you fined or put in jail?


Because here is what Canadian law says about "misgendering" someone:

Misgendering is a human rights violation in Canada, and is prohibited by the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA). The CHRA protects people from discrimination based on their gender identity or expression.

What is misgendering?
Misgendering is when someone intentionally or unintentionally refers to a person in a way that doesn't match their gender identity. For example, calling a woman "he" or "guy".

What are the consequences of misgendering?
Misgendering can result in a human rights complaint and a tribunal order. The tribunal may order the person who misgendered to apologize, undergo sensitivity training, or pay damages. If the person doesn't comply, the tribunal can send the case to the Divisional or Federal Court, which could result in jail time.



So am I being histronic?
 
How would you suggest we do it? I feel like we run into this same issue with everything: the average citizen doesn’t understand it, we explain it, they get mad at us for explaining it and act like we’re arrogant. Rinse and repeat.
If we point out Trump’s overreach, it’s just becomes a meme to them. I’ve wondered if we’d have more success if we used the word tariff less and just used “tax” instead, as most everyone understands that. But I’m sure we’d get accused of lying: “Those aren’t taxes on us, they’re tariffs on China, stupid lying libs!”—that sort of thing.

I think we’ve been pretty clear that tariffs just jack up prices at a time when we certainly don’t want that, and that getting in a trade war with allies will just cause us to lose allies. That’s about as simple as it gets.
People like him will be clueless about politics and then blame Dems for their own cluelessness. It's kinda insane when you think about it.
 
You're not fooling anyone, you would vote for a third term either way.
I didn't vote for him in 2016 or 2020. But I did in 24. I'm just saying I won't vote against results

But if his strategy backfires, I wouldn't vote for him or Vance. If they expand H1B1 I'm out also
 
I didn't vote for him in 2016 or 2020. But I did in 24. I'm just saying I won't vote against results

But if his strategy backfires, I wouldn't vote for him or Vance. If they expand H1B1 I'm out also
So you have a wait and see attitude about the tariffs but not H1B1? Why? Shouldn't the results matter? What if expanding H1B1 rejuvenates the economy?
 

Trump backs off tariff threat with Mexico, digs in on Canada​

The U.S. tariffs on Canada and Mexico are still slated to go into effect on Tuesday, while negotiations with their governments continue.

By VICTORIA GUIDA and MEGAN MESSERLY

02/03/2025 10:47 AM EST


By VICTORIA GUIDA and MEGAN MESSERLY

02/03/2025 10:47 AM EST

Updated: 02/03/2025 12:34 PM EST



Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum said Monday that her country had reached a series of agreements with President Donald Trump and that tariffs will be put on hold for one month, starting now.

Trump, in a post on Truth Social, confirmed the one-month delay, which he said he granted the country after it agreed to send 10,000 soldiers to the U.S.-Mexico border. A White House official confirmed the one-month extension only applies to Mexico, not Canada or China, which Trump also slapped with tariffs over the weekend.

Trump said Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Secretary of Treasury Scott Bessent, and his choice for secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick, would meet with high-level representatives during the one-month pause for further negotiations.




“I look forward to participating in those negotiations, with President Sheinbaum, as we attempt to achieve a ‘deal’ between our two Countries,” Trump wrote.

Sheinbaum, in a post on X, said the troops at its northern border would target drug trafficking from Mexico to the US, particularly fentanyl.

One person close to the administration, granted anonymity to discuss the rapidly evolving situation, said the tariff delay is what they had expected Trump to do all along, and that they had been surprised when the president announced on Friday that he was moving forward with the levies.

“All in all, predictable in Trump’s world,” said a former Mexican trade official, granted anonymity to discuss the politically sensitive talks. “Keep the sword of Damocles hanging.”

On Saturday, Trump signed executive orders imposing 25 percent across-the-board tariffs on the U.S.'s North American neighbors, though tariffs on Canadian energy would be set at 10 percent. He also announced a 10 percent increase in tariffs on China. Those tariffs were slated to go into effect Tuesday — and in Canada and China’s case, are still on tap to.

Financial markets dropped Monday morning in response to the Saturday executive orders.

Prior to announcing the Mexican tariff pause a White House official told POLITICO that Trump was still pushing for action on border security from Canada and Mexico and halting the flow of fentanyl from China, where much of it originates. The official, granted anonymity to discuss internal deliberations, said their responses could result in a decrease or the removal of the sweeping tariffs set to go into effect on Tuesday.

The official said the duties were about border security rather than the trading relationships, and that clauses in the executive orders that allow for the tariffs to be increased in response to retaliation were worded in a way to give maximum flexibility to the administration to negotiate.

But Trump has complained repeatedly in recent days of the U.S. trade deficit with Canada, signaling negotiations to lift the tariffs on Canadian goods could be more fraught.

“Canada doesn’t even allow U.S. Banks to open or do business there. What’s that all about? Many such things, but it’s also a DRUG WAR, and hundreds of thousands of people have died in the U.S. from drugs pouring through the Borders of Mexico and Canada,” the president posted on his social media platform, Truth Social, Monday morning.

“Canada is more complicated because he wants concessions on other issues — separate from border and fentanyl. He has made that clear,” said a person familiar with the discussions.

“And the Canadians are threatening to hit back with big tariffs without making any concessions on the issues that Trump appears most focused on with Canada. So ironically, the tariffs toward Canada could be longer lasting if the Canadians don’t start to play ball on Trump’s seeming priorities.”

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has already unveiled a list of more than $100 billion worth of American goods that will be subject to retaliatory tariffs starting Tuesday. At the same time Canadian officials say they’re making good faith efforts to address border security concerns — and are bewildered at what more Trump wants them to do.

“We’re their number one export destination. We’re their largest customers,” Ontario Premier Doug Ford told reporters Monday at a press conference in Etobicoke, Ont. “We aren’t taking parts from China and putting made in Mexico stickers on, and shipping them through the United States. And there’s precursors that are coming in from China going into Mexico. The fentanyl then gets run up through America into Canada. So we’re no Mexico, I’ll tell you that.”

Trump and Trudeau spoke Monday morning and are scheduled to speak again at 3 pm.

The person close to the administration added that they believe the moves over the weekend will accelerate the timeline for reviewing the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement, known as the USMCA — which is due for a mandated review next year.

“Even with a deal or deals now, he will get another whack with USMCA negotiations, and the negotiators will now know that Trump isn’t afraid to tariff,” said the second person familiar with the discussions.

Sheinbaum seemed to acknowledge in her remarks on Monday that the upcoming review is inseparable from the current negotiations. “I am confident that these high-level working meetings between the U.S. and Mexican governments on security, migration, and trade will be important,” she said. “Trade discussions are particularly significant because, as you know, the trade agreement is up for review in 2026. But, if we start these dialogues now, it will help us a lot.”

Jakob Weizman, Ari Hawkins, Doug Palmer and Mickey Djuric contributed to this report.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/03/mexico-president-tariffs-00202059

- Maricone got afraid of Penta
 
Is your government saying that denying the existence of God or questioning someone's religion is a human rights violation that can get you fined or put in jail?


Because here is what Canadian law says about "misgendering" someone:

Misgendering is a human rights violation in Canada, and is prohibited by the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA). The CHRA protects people from discrimination based on their gender identity or expression.

What is misgendering?
Misgendering is when someone intentionally or unintentionally refers to a person in a way that doesn't match their gender identity. For example, calling a woman "he" or "guy".

What are the consequences of misgendering?
Misgendering can result in a human rights complaint and a tribunal order. The tribunal may order the person who misgendered to apologize, undergo sensitivity training, or pay damages. If the person doesn't comply, the tribunal can send the case to the Divisional or Federal Court, which could result in jail time.



So am I being histronic?

Yes because you are gobbling up JBP's propaganda from 2016. Can you provide me some instances of someone being arrested or imprisoned for this in Canada?

And yeah, you are being histronic because Bill C-16 just included gender expression and identity to the Canadian Human Rights Act. All it does is ban discrimination on these grounds, and it provides a legal mechanism for people if they are discriminated against. For example, if a trans-person apply to a job and they say they don't hire trans-person, or, if trans-person was hired and then they fired them after discovering that they are trans, they would be protected by the CHRA, and they could put in motion a case to be heard by the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal.

So in short... no one is forcing anyone to use the correct pronouns (although it's a polite and proper thing to do). And generally I think most trans people understand that colleagues or people out in the world will sometimes trip up and use the wrong pronouns. However, if someone was fired on the basis of being trans, or if a colleague was purposefully and repeatedly using wrong pronouns in bad faith as a form of harassment, the trans employee could sue on those grounds kinda similar to how you would if you catcalled other employees at work.
 

Trump backs off tariff threat with Mexico, digs in on Canada​

The U.S. tariffs on Canada and Mexico are still slated to go into effect on Tuesday, while negotiations with their governments continue.

By VICTORIA GUIDA and MEGAN MESSERLY

02/03/2025 10:47 AM EST


By VICTORIA GUIDA and MEGAN MESSERLY

02/03/2025 10:47 AM EST

Updated: 02/03/2025 12:34 PM EST



Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum said Monday that her country had reached a series of agreements with President Donald Trump and that tariffs will be put on hold for one month, starting now.

Trump, in a post on Truth Social, confirmed the one-month delay, which he said he granted the country after it agreed to send 10,000 soldiers to the U.S.-Mexico border. A White House official confirmed the one-month extension only applies to Mexico, not Canada or China, which Trump also slapped with tariffs over the weekend.

Trump said Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Secretary of Treasury Scott Bessent, and his choice for secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick, would meet with high-level representatives during the one-month pause for further negotiations.




“I look forward to participating in those negotiations, with President Sheinbaum, as we attempt to achieve a ‘deal’ between our two Countries,” Trump wrote.

Sheinbaum, in a post on X, said the troops at its northern border would target drug trafficking from Mexico to the US, particularly fentanyl.

One person close to the administration, granted anonymity to discuss the rapidly evolving situation, said the tariff delay is what they had expected Trump to do all along, and that they had been surprised when the president announced on Friday that he was moving forward with the levies.

“All in all, predictable in Trump’s world,” said a former Mexican trade official, granted anonymity to discuss the politically sensitive talks. “Keep the sword of Damocles hanging.”

On Saturday, Trump signed executive orders imposing 25 percent across-the-board tariffs on the U.S.'s North American neighbors, though tariffs on Canadian energy would be set at 10 percent. He also announced a 10 percent increase in tariffs on China. Those tariffs were slated to go into effect Tuesday — and in Canada and China’s case, are still on tap to.

Financial markets dropped Monday morning in response to the Saturday executive orders.

Prior to announcing the Mexican tariff pause a White House official told POLITICO that Trump was still pushing for action on border security from Canada and Mexico and halting the flow of fentanyl from China, where much of it originates. The official, granted anonymity to discuss internal deliberations, said their responses could result in a decrease or the removal of the sweeping tariffs set to go into effect on Tuesday.

The official said the duties were about border security rather than the trading relationships, and that clauses in the executive orders that allow for the tariffs to be increased in response to retaliation were worded in a way to give maximum flexibility to the administration to negotiate.

But Trump has complained repeatedly in recent days of the U.S. trade deficit with Canada, signaling negotiations to lift the tariffs on Canadian goods could be more fraught.

“Canada doesn’t even allow U.S. Banks to open or do business there. What’s that all about? Many such things, but it’s also a DRUG WAR, and hundreds of thousands of people have died in the U.S. from drugs pouring through the Borders of Mexico and Canada,” the president posted on his social media platform, Truth Social, Monday morning.

“Canada is more complicated because he wants concessions on other issues — separate from border and fentanyl. He has made that clear,” said a person familiar with the discussions.

“And the Canadians are threatening to hit back with big tariffs without making any concessions on the issues that Trump appears most focused on with Canada. So ironically, the tariffs toward Canada could be longer lasting if the Canadians don’t start to play ball on Trump’s seeming priorities.”

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has already unveiled a list of more than $100 billion worth of American goods that will be subject to retaliatory tariffs starting Tuesday. At the same time Canadian officials say they’re making good faith efforts to address border security concerns — and are bewildered at what more Trump wants them to do.

“We’re their number one export destination. We’re their largest customers,” Ontario Premier Doug Ford told reporters Monday at a press conference in Etobicoke, Ont. “We aren’t taking parts from China and putting made in Mexico stickers on, and shipping them through the United States. And there’s precursors that are coming in from China going into Mexico. The fentanyl then gets run up through America into Canada. So we’re no Mexico, I’ll tell you that.”

Trump and Trudeau spoke Monday morning and are scheduled to speak again at 3 pm.

The person close to the administration added that they believe the moves over the weekend will accelerate the timeline for reviewing the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement, known as the USMCA — which is due for a mandated review next year.

“Even with a deal or deals now, he will get another whack with USMCA negotiations, and the negotiators will now know that Trump isn’t afraid to tariff,” said the second person familiar with the discussions.

Sheinbaum seemed to acknowledge in her remarks on Monday that the upcoming review is inseparable from the current negotiations. “I am confident that these high-level working meetings between the U.S. and Mexican governments on security, migration, and trade will be important,” she said. “Trade discussions are particularly significant because, as you know, the trade agreement is up for review in 2026. But, if we start these dialogues now, it will help us a lot.”

Jakob Weizman, Ari Hawkins, Doug Palmer and Mickey Djuric contributed to this report.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/03/mexico-president-tariffs-00202059

- Maricone got afraid of Penta
 
Cling to that Left Cult propaganda... it's funny.

If you think Trump didn't already get concessions out of Mexico that will grow further within a month's time then I have a bet for you? How about avatars for a month?

Easy Win.

Tell me what they are.


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I'm enjoying a "cuppa" whilst I await your amazing insight upon my query.
 
Tell me what they are.


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I'm enjoying a "cuppa" whilst I await your amazing insight upon my query.

I picked a Left Cult source you could accept.


In exchange, she said Mexico had agreed to reinforce its northern border with 10,000 members of its national guard in order to combat migration and the trafficking of illegal drugs.

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I'm saying the Liberal party will now have a better chance of winning.
This is not helping Pierre. Conservatives had a guaranteed victory prior to this chaos.
Ok. Perhaps. But it does not advantage the Liberals to call an election any sooner than they have to either, least of all prior to the leadership convention. I could easily be wrong but I feel the NDP wouldn't benefit either so I will be surprised if they force an election when parliament resumes as they have claimed.
 
You're blaming the Dems for this? Trump ran on imposing tariffs and citing the negative of tariffs was a core attack against him, if you're surprised by this then idk what to tell you.

"Blaming them"? I'm saying that if they can't find a good way to communicate to people why blanket tariffs like this are a terrible idea, that part is on them. Obviously I'm not blaming them for the tariffs themselves.
 
So you have a wait and see attitude about the tariffs but not H1B1? Why? Shouldn't the results matter? What if expanding H1B1 rejuvenates the economy?
Because I believe that expansion will mostly just benefit the tech bros, to the detriment of our already struggling middle class. I'm okay with a certain amount, maybe if you can steal the very best doctors or engineers

The tariffs on the other hand are potentially beneficiary, if it helps us bring industry back here. Granted, the Trump admin seems to just be using them as a bludgeon for now. So I'll wait and see

You don't see any scenario where a tariff can be beneficial to us?
 
I'm only repeating what he promised to do for months. Good on him for being a man of his word, I look forward to our countries being united and made great again.

Welcome 51

I like Canadians. Don't need to annex them though.
 
Election is absolutely getting called. You can't replace a PM without calling an election; especially if the Libbys vote in a guy who isn't even an MP

Trump doesn't need to help a party win when they have have more polling support than the next two parties combined going on a year now.
 
"Blaming them"? I'm saying that if they can't find a good way to communicate to people why blanket tariffs like this are a terrible idea, that part is on them. Obviously I'm not blaming them for the tariffs themselves.
The tariffs were a core part of Trump's platform and were regularly criticized, at what point are the voters responsible for not paying attention?

And at what point will faux-centrists like yourself criticize Trump without also blaming Dems? The GOP has all branches of goverment right now and you're still trying to find blame for the Democrats now?
 
So in short... no one is forcing anyone to use the correct pronouns (although it's a polite and proper thing to do).
See what you did there?

You said calling a man a woman, even though he's a man, is "the correct pronoun". So calling him a man, which is what he is would be incorrect right? That's what I'm talking about, you're playing that same game and I'm the impolite asshole for simply acknowledging reality right?

Yeah, go fuck yourself, for a moment there I thought you were trying to have an honest conversation.
 
I'm not saying they won't win, I'm arguing that this is not helping them win.
By the way, re: the above, I'm not arguing tariffs will help PP win. I'm arguing the assumption among many is that he will win regardless and Trump will help make him look like a hero if/when he does, to their mutual benefit.
 
I didn't vote for him in 2016 or 2020. But I did in 24. I'm just saying I won't vote against results

But if his strategy backfires, I wouldn't vote for him or Vance. If they expand H1B1 I'm out also

Here he is 12 days ago telling you he wants to extend H1B to "wine people", servers, & waiters.
Yet you will still schill for him with a fake moderate schtick.
Comical.
 
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