Donald Trump Jr.'s Russia email scandal shakes the presidency, v4: Cover of TIME

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Madmick said:
I love it. Trump said he never saw the email until "two days ago". They caught him in a lie. It was a month ago. After the scandal broke he tries to get out ahead of it and Tweets about just four people in the room. He left out the other two-- including a Russian spy. They insist it was a trivial meeting. But Trump Jr. first felt the need to lie he attended, then lie that it was about adoptions, then finally confess it about getting dirt from a lawyer he knew was affiliated with the Russian government-- only with The New York Times looming.

President Trump's son (Trump Jr.), step son (Kushner), and senior campaign manager at the time (Manafort) were all present. Yet he expects me to believe he didn't know about every person in that room?

Lest we forget, this is the same guy who:
  1. Almost certainly obstructed justice by demanding Comey drop this investigation-- and I think we all know now why, no need for Mueller-- before firing him when Comey refused
  2. Is the first President since Nixon started the tradition who refuses to release his tax returns
  3. Settled the Trump University felony fraud lawsuit for a staggering sum of $25 million (this a man who wouldn't relinquish a dime to a hobo if he thought it would tarnish his name the palest shade)
  4. Prior to that tried to form an improper friendship with the New York Attorney General overseeing that Trump U case, one of the most popular AG's in the country, Preet Bharara, whom demurred from Trump's advances, and then later fired Bharara without ever giving a reason
And I guess we still have some dopes who think a guy that promised not to golf or travel on our dime, but has golfed and spent on travel more in his first six months than Obama did in his first term, is somehow working for them; that a man who once bragged that "life was a bowl of cherries", the best time in his life, when he was cheating on his first wife Ivanka with Marla Maples, and that he wished that time had never ended, somehow has character.

This is a guy who just fled to France while the Senate health care bill is in the final stretch, btw. Quite the "fighter".

There's no personal character. There's not professional character. There's no character demonstrating respect for anything: not the office, not the law, not national security, not the American people.


#Impeachburger
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Can't argue with anything you've posted here, Mick. Solid facts, all the way down the line.

And none of it matters unless it leads to Impeachment. Which it won't.
 
Madmick said:
I love it. Trump said he never saw the email until "two days ago". They caught him in a lie. It was a month ago. After the scandal broke he tries to get out ahead of it and Tweets about just four people in the room. He left out the other two-- including a Russian spy. They insist it was a trivial meeting. But Trump Jr. first felt the need to lie he attended, then lie that it was about adoptions, then finally confess it about getting dirt from a lawyer he knew was affiliated with the Russian government-- only with The New York Times looming.

President Trump's son (Trump Jr.), step son (Kushner), and senior campaign manager at the time (Manafort) were all present. Yet he expects me to believe he didn't know about every person in that room?

Lest we forget, this is the same guy who:
  1. Almost certainly obstructed justice by demanding Comey drop this investigation-- and I think we all know now why, no need for Mueller-- before firing him when Comey refused
  2. Is the first President since Nixon started the tradition who refuses to release his tax returns
  3. Settled the Trump University felony fraud lawsuit for a staggering sum of $25 million (this a man who wouldn't relinquish a dime to a hobo if he thought it would tarnish his name the palest shade)
  4. Prior to that tried to form an improper friendship with the New York Attorney General overseeing that Trump U case, one of the most popular AG's in the country, Preet Bharara, whom demurred from Trump's advances, and then later fired Bharara without ever giving a reason
And I guess we still have some dopes who think a guy that promised not to golf or travel on our dime, but has golfed and spent on travel more in his first six months than Obama did in his first term, is somehow working for them; that a man who once bragged that "life was a bowl of cherries", the best time in his life, when he was cheating on his first wife Ivanka with Marla Maples, and that he wished that time had never ended, somehow has character.

This is a guy who just fled to France while the Senate health care bill is in the final stretch, btw. Quite the "fighter".

There's no personal character. There's not professional character. There's no character demonstrating respect for anything: not the office, not the law, not national security, not the American people.


#Impeachburger
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Youre putting in a lot of good work here, Madmick. Lots and lots of time and effort. I know it will not be in vain.

Keep up the good fight.

We're rooting for you.
 
WiolentOne said:
Youre putting in a lot of good work here, Madmick. Lots and lots of time and effort. I know it will not be in vain.

Keep up the good fight.

We're rooting for you.
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I love my country, and I will do anything to defend it. I'm disappointed that you won't, and don't care.

Pence Hires Fixer Chief of Staff as Trump Falls Apart
Patricia Murphy said:
Thirty-four-year-old Nick Ayers has been a behind-the-scenes player in Vice President Mike Pence’s political circle, and now he’s about to take center stage as his chief of staff.

Patricia Murphy
07.14.17 6:15 AM ET


For many Republicans in Donald Trump’s Washington, Vice President Mike Pence has been the ax behind the glass you’re supposed to break in case of emergency: solid, sharp, and there to save you when the place is going up in flames.

Now, as the Trump White House has become engulfed in one media firestorm after another, Pence is bringing in a new chief of staff, a veteran political operative who Pence loyalists expect will help him manage one of the thinnest, highest tightropes in Washington—balancing the vice president’s need to be loyal to a president who requires it, while keeping his own brand and capital strong enough to stand on its own.

The man on the way to fill that role is Nick Ayers, a 34-year-old political consultant who has helped more than a dozen top Republicans in around the country launch, rescue, or cement their political careers, including Mike Pence.

If Ayers’ name is new to casual observers, it isn’t all new to anyone working in Washington. In 2007, Ayers burst onto the scene as the 24-year-old executive director of the Republican Governors Association. But his political break came even earlier, when Ayers, then 19, hit it off with a longshot candidate for Georgia governor named Sonny Perdue. Perdue hired Ayers as his driver, and then won the governor’s mansion a year later. Four years later, Ayers ran Perdue’s successful reelection in 2006 and then went with Perdue to the RGA, when the Georgia governor helmed the committee tasked with electing Republicans to governors’ mansions.

During Ayers four years at the RGA, success and attention followed. The Washington Post called him “Washington's youngest important operative.” Some of his fellow young conservatives, like Matt Lewis, called him “the most hated campaign operative in America,” complaining that young Ayers’ track record didn’t warrant the hype.

But after two full cycles with Ayers running daily operations at the RGA, Republicans went from holding 25 governors mansions in 2007 to 32 in 2011. Among the pick-ups were Scott Walker in Wisconsin, John Kasich in Ohio, Rick Scott in Florida, and Rick Snyder in Michigan. It was also the period when Nikki Haley won her first term in South Carolina and Chris Christie pulled off an upset in New Jersey.

“It’s hard to overstate how dramatic it was that he was in this position at that age,” said Nathan Daschle, a Democratic lobbyist who was the executive director of the Democratic Governors Association when Ayers ran the RGA, when the two became rivals and friends.

“In Nick, Mike Pence will get a very savvy and aggressive political mind,” Daschle said. “He’ll also get intense loyalty. He won’t have to worry about Nick and that he’s got 100 percent loyalty out of his top person.”

With the successful run at the RGA under his belt, Ayers left Washington and became a campaign consultant and media buyer. His highest-profile race was also his biggest bomb—Tim Pawlenty’s spectacular presidential flameout, which ended abruptly five months after it began. Although Pawlenty initially said he dropped out because he lost the 2011 Iowa straw poll to then-Rep. Michele Bachmann (and even Rep. Rand Paul), the Pawlenty campaign was essentially broke—with $450,000 in debt still on the books two months after he dropped out.

A series of lower-profile Senate and governor's races put Ayers on a winning streak—running outside PACs or advising campaign operations for Sens. Ted Cruz in Texas, David Perdue in Georgia, Tom Cotton in Arkansas, Gov. Bruce Rauner in Illinois, Gov. Eric Greitens in Missouri, and, importantly, the 2016 reelection effort for Gov. Mike Pence in Indiana.

Pence had met Ayers while he was at the RGA and signed him up for his 2016 bid, but Ayers started early after a 2015 religious-freedom bill in Indiana both ignited controversy in the state and took Pence from a 62 percent approval rating to a number in the mid-40s.

“When Gov. Pence was looking for outside consulting help, his team talked extensively with Nick,” said Bob Grand, a longtime Pence adviser and Indianapolis lawyer. “All of us were very impressed, at a young age he has great insight. And I think the governor, now vice president, was very comfortable with his style and his advice.”

Ayers was already working for Pence when the call came to assess the governor’s interest in joining Donald Trump as his running mate.

“Nick was intimately involved in that process,” said Grand. “A lot of things changed for all of us in a fairly quick period of time and Nick ended up very quickly in a very good role for the vice president.”

That role, initially, was as an outside adviser and sounding board for Pence and a board member of the super PAC supporting the Trump administration's agenda, including an attack ad against GOP Sen. Dean Heller over his refusal to negotiate to support the GOP health-care bill.

“He came back to the table,” a Republican operative observed of the ad, which GOP senators groused about.

Ayers also recently helped Pence launch his own leadership PAC and has been helping Pence host dinners for major donors at the vice president’s residence.

And although he seriously considered a run for governor of Georgia himself, according to The Atlanta-Journal-Constitution, Ayers’ role with Pence continued to grow as the scrutiny on all members of the Trump administration ratcheted up.

While Pence has remained mostly on the sidelines of the Russia investigation, he has twice insisted in media interviews that no Trump associates ever met with Russians during the 2016 campaign for president.

“All the contact by the Trump campaign and associates were with the American people,” Pence wrongly told Fox News’ Chris Wallace. Pence was also at the center of dismissal of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, after Pence defended Flynn publicly as having no Russian ties, only to learn weeks later that that, too, was false.

Paul Bennecke, the executive director of the RGA, said having Ayers on the inside of his vice-presidential operation should help both Pence and Trump by having someone on point to execute on their agenda.

“I think it’s a great asset to the president and the vice president to have someone who can figure out what the big objectives are, but more importantly, figure out what they can control and achieve, so that those objectives become reality.”

Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, who was the RGA chairman during much of Ayer’s time there, said Ayers will also be an important point of contact inside Pence’s operation for the governors and senators he’s worked with before.

“Obviously a lot of people will find Nick to be someone they’re comfortable going to share their views.”

Going forward, veterans of past White Houses that were similarly under the microscope said Pence’s toughest, and most important, job might just be staying focused on his actual job and staying out of the West Wing intrigue as much as possible. And that’s where the chief of staff comes in.

David Thomas, an aide to then-Vice President Al Gore at the height of the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, said Gore’s chief of staff directed the staff daily to “do your job” and say and do nothing related to the impeachment.

“It’s hard enough to work for a White House in crisis,” Thomas said. “But if the White House also has internal battles, you won’t get through it.” Thomas also said the best play for Pence and his team at this point is to keep their heads down and themselves out of the spotlight.

Ayers, who will start officially at the end of the month, declined to be interviewed for this article.
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All hail President Pence! I love the man's class:
Pence: Leaders should be humble, exercise self-control
The Hill said:
Vice President Pence shared advice Wednesday with a group of students in Chicago on how to be a leader like President Trump, saying a leader must be humble and exercise self-control.

During a speech at the National Student Leadership Conference, Pence said in order for a leader to be like the president, they must listen, be humble, have a character people respect, work to serve others and learn from other leaders.

"I truly believe that to reflect humility is to approach leadership every day as a learner and as a listener," Pence told the students, according to a White House transcript of his speech.

Pence pointed to a meeting during Trump's transition into office, when the president-elect "listened intently" and probed "virtually all of the high-tech entrepreneurs and executives in America."
The vice president told the students they should strive to be "servant leaders" who work on behalf of others.

"I urge you to be servant leaders, driven by a calling to support and to serve others — not by selfish ambition — as the animating force of your career," he continued.

Pence also advised that they should "respect those who have been placed above you."

"Honor them. Learn from them. Follow their example. Give them the honor that they are due," he added.

And as his last piece of advice, Pence advised aspiring leaders to "practice discipline and to practice self-control" in order "to become the kind of woman and man that people will respect and people will follow."

Throughout the speech, Pence heavily praised his boss.

"Thanks to the leadership of President Trump, we are in the midst of a great national renewal. We are seeing the return of security and prosperity for our nation and our people," Pence told the students.

His effusive remarks about Trump's leadership comes at a time when reports say Pence appears to be distancing himself from the Trump administration.
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WiolentOne said:
Youre putting in a lot of good work here, Madmick. Lots and lots of time and effort. I know it will not be in vain.

Keep up the good fight.

We're rooting for you.
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Not sure what you are getting at.

There is a charlatan con man serving as POTUS.

This is literally the epitome of a non trivial issue.

Misinformation on social media and message boards was allegedly part of the Russian effort to get Trump elected.
 
Madmick said:
I love it. Trump said he never saw the email until "two days ago". They caught him in a lie. It was a month ago. After the scandal broke he tries to get out ahead of it and Tweets about just four people in the room. He left out the other two-- including a Russian spy. They insist it was a trivial meeting. But Trump Jr. first felt the need to lie he attended, then lie that it was about adoptions, then finally confess it about getting dirt from a lawyer he knew was affiliated with the Russian government-- only with The New York Times looming.

President Trump's son (Trump Jr.), step son (Kushner), and senior campaign manager at the time (Manafort) were all present. Yet he expects me to believe he didn't know about every person in that room?

Lest we forget, this is the same guy who:
  1. Almost certainly obstructed justice by demanding Comey drop this investigation-- and I think we all know now why, no need for Mueller-- before firing him when Comey refused
  2. Is the first President since Nixon started the tradition who refuses to release his tax returns
  3. Settled the Trump University felony fraud lawsuit for a staggering sum of $25 million (this a man who wouldn't relinquish a dime to a hobo if he thought it would tarnish his name the palest shade)
  4. Prior to that tried to form an improper friendship with the New York Attorney General overseeing that Trump U case, one of the most popular AG's in the country, Preet Bharara, whom demurred from Trump's advances, and then later fired Bharara without ever giving a reason
And I guess we still have some dopes who think a guy that promised not to golf or travel on our dime, but has golfed and spent on travel more in his first six months than Obama did in his first term, is somehow working for them; that a man who once bragged that "life was a bowl of cherries", the best time in his life, when he was cheating on his first wife Ivanka with Marla Maples, and that he wished that time had never ended, somehow has character.

This is a guy who just fled to France while the Senate health care bill is in the final stretch, btw. Quite the "fighter".

There's no personal character. There's not professional character. There's no character demonstrating respect for anything: not the office, not the law, not national security, not the American people.


#Impeachburger
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Truthpost. And you could have gone on for pages if you got into the specifics of his -decades- of dissembling horseshit.
 
klnOmega said:
I like you. Your good people.
I like most everyone here on both sides. You guys have to realize when I call you slimball low-IQ disingenuous retards, its just because that's how people talk on the internet.
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I know women
I've had the best women
They all say my balls are wide and cumbersome

Stop spreading misinformation :D
 
HOLA said:
Have you noticed how right-wingers have been calling Jr. A kid recently? As if that absolves him?

"He's just a 39 year old kid, created by a 71 year old infant! They're new at this!"
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"Ignorantia juris non excusat"


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Factory said:
No, I agree that it is bad that he lied.

But at the same time I still don't see collusion.
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I'm waiting for a definitive word since I think it's really a subject best debated among constitutional scholars.
It doesn't look good but he could easily weather this storm while a few ships around him sink.
 
Factory said:
POLLAK: After Donald Trump Jr. Emails, Still No Evidence of Russia ‘Collusion’

[...]
The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines “collusion” as “secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose.” There was no agreement, no cooperation, and neither the meeting nor its purpose was illegal.

The mere fact that Trump, Jr. was willing to meet with the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya — who also worked with Democrats and a Democrat-linked opposition research firm, Fusion GPS — is being described as nefarious. But there is no evidence that Veselnitskaya was linked to the Kremlin — a charge that the mainstream media continues to repeat as established fact, despite her denials, a complete lack proof, and significant evidence to the contrary.
[...]

full article:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...jr-emails-still-no-evidence-russia-collusion/


Personally I still believe that this is overhyped.
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klnOmega said:
I like you. Your good people.
I like most everyone here on both sides. You guys have to realize when I call you slimball low-IQ disingenuous retards, its just because that's how people talk on the internet.
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*you're
 
KnightTemplar said:
Can't argue with anything you've posted here, Mick. Solid facts, all the way down the line.

And none of it matters unless it leads to Impeachment. Which it won't.
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The lawyer in question was denied a visa and let in on parole by Lynch. Then extended by the doj. Then 6 months after the extension is up she's somehow still here. She's meeting with Obama officials right after Trump .. and is tied to fusion gps, and her FB page is anti Trump.
 
Going to point out that Preet was a US attorney, not a state AG. He was investigating a different set of cases than the NY AG, who Trump did try to befriend during the Trump U investigation.
 
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