Dominick Cruz striking background...

[ryun253]

How does Cody look now?

Like a meth addict

 

[FIghtxIQ]

He studied it himself. It wasn't a coach who taught him, supposedly. We call that self taught. If you teach yourself a language, you don't just make it up out of thin air, you study material where you can find that language

That's what I said, he self taught himself that style. The difference with language is the words are always going to mean the same thing. You are trying to learn what the words mean. Self-teaching yourself a unique style is different, because you are coming up something unique for yourself. He has influences but he self-taught and created a specific style for himself that no one else does or is doing. Every switch hitter is self-taught because no one is teaching switch hitting or stance switching. They all argue against it and that's why 99% don't understand it. Each switch hitter/stance switcher is all self taught and they all have their own style that they created.

 

[Iroh]

That's what I said, he self taught himself that style. The difference with language is the words are always going to mean the same thing. You are trying to learn what the words mean. Self-teaching yourself a unique style is different, because you are coming up something unique for yourself. He has influences but he self-taught and created a specific style for himself that no one else does or is doing. Every switch hitter is self-taught because no one is teaching switch hitting or stance switching. They all argue against it and that's why 99% don't understand it. Each switch hitter/stance switcher is all self taught and they all have their own style that they created.

Sorry, my bad. I thought you were saying it wasn't self taught because he got it from boxing.

Yeah that latter part you can call inventing his own style.

 

[Iroh]

On second thought @FIghtxIQ you said ..

Self taught but he studied boxing footwork.

Suggesting that the studied boxing footwork wasn't part of the self-taught, but it is actually the self-taught.

Coming up with unique things is inventing and not self-teaching.

Teaching is the passing of knowledge to another.
Self-teaching is passing knowledge to yourself from a source that you can't interact with.
Inventing is creating knowledge.

 

[WildBoyDan]

this is unfortunately bullshit. all of his fights are on record and this has never been validated.

i’ve never seen a slick boxer as off-balance as cruz is. i mean literally not one. mike mccallum, james toney, pernell whitaker, willie pep, floyd mayweather, wilfred benitez, etc. not one of them has ever dipped down sideways like a broken whack-a-mole. balance is incredibly important in a striking battle and that’s precisely why cody was able to let go with combinations. wherever cruz was defensively, he wouldn’t be able to throw something back effectively because he was tipped over.

only guy i’ve ever seen get away with the shit cruz does in a boxing ring and win at a decently high level is prince naseem. and once he was in there with a very good fighter, he got throttled.

Prince Naseem is an all time great, not 'decently high level'.

He won 36 of his 37 fights with 1 defeat and had 31 knock outs. He held all the belts and was lineal champ.

He was already slightly out of prime when he got beat by barrera.

His movement and the power he could produce from insane angles where another level. One of the p4p hardest hitters ever.

 

[StoneyBelowNee]

 

[AtlSteel]

Dean Martin Boxing club. The technique emerges at 1:30 of this video -

 

[ocfightfan]

 

[Ogata]

this is unfortunately bullshit. all of his fights are on record and this has never been validated.

i’ve never seen a slick boxer as off-balance as cruz is. i mean literally not one. mike mccallum, james toney, pernell whitaker, willie pep, floyd mayweather, wilfred benitez, etc. not one of them has ever dipped down sideways like a broken whack-a-mole. balance is incredibly important in a striking battle and that’s precisely why cody was able to let go with combinations. wherever cruz was defensively, he wouldn’t be able to throw something back effectively because he was tipped over.

only guy i’ve ever seen get away with the shit cruz does in a boxing ring and win at a decently high level is prince naseem. and once he was in there with a very good fighter, he got throttled.

Naseem lost because he came in completely out of shape against Barrera and conventional boxing dick riders love to blame his style for his loss beca use they can't admit that there are obsecure styles of boxing that are superior than conventional boxing.

He borrowed Joe Rogan's Willie Pep DVDs and became a world champ.

I Knew it!

 

[Th3Sav4ge]

boxers that moved. robinson, sugar ray, ali.

he said back in the day he didnt have any fights at 135, so he was always sparring and fighting bigger dudes. dudes you dont want to get hit by. if i had to guess he probably got leaned on and smothered by a couple guys who knew how to use their weight aswell. so his footwork is to try and cover as many things as it can. leg kicks, punches, headkicks, and takedowns, or at least the entry part of the takedown.(reminds me of lyoto, even the best wrestlers cant even find the footing to shoot at all)

random moment of feeling old but i thought cruz was the shit waaaaay before everyone else did. people used to say decisionator and mock his fight style before he got injured. felt at the time he was getting hate for being opposite faber and alpha male who were the biggest names at the time in 135.

 

[JustBleed69]

I am curios to know, what style of striking did he study in regards to his footwork?

I know he wrestled in high school but his striking does not resemble any other traditional martial arts as far as I can remember. Is he self-taught?

Willie Pep and Ali are his 2 biggest influences.

BJJ Scout used to have a great breakdown series on YouTube about it, but it got taken down for copyright.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Prince Naseem is an all time great, not 'decently high level'.

He won 36 of his 37 fights with 1 defeat and had 31 knock outs. He held all the belts and was lineal champ.

cool. his best win was kevin kelley. he never fought derrick gainer, juan manuel marquez, or erik morales, and when he fought someone on their level, he got his ass beat.

His movement and the power he could produce from insane angles where another level. One of the p4p hardest hitters ever.

i mean yeah, he had really good power. one of the hardest hitters ever is goofy. i don’t think he ever actually knocked more than one or two guys out cold.

Naseem lost because he came in completely out of shape against Barrera and conventional boxing dick riders love to blame his style for his loss beca use they can't admit that there are obsecure styles of boxing that are superior than conventional boxing.

the fuck are you talking about? lmao he left his chin up in the air and was off balance constantly. he hit the canvas regularly for this reason. have you ever actually watched the sport of boxing before?

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

That footwork style is not going to work for most, almost all, people. Now that his athleticism and knees are gone he's much more hittable.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

On second thought @FIghtxIQ you said ..



Suggesting that the studied boxing footwork wasn't part of the self-taught, but it is actually the self-taught.

Coming up with unique things is inventing and not self-teaching.

Teaching is the passing of knowledge to another.
Self-teaching is passing knowledge to yourself from a source that you can't interact with.
Inventing is creating knowledge.

He wouldn't have created it without watching boxing footwork. Hence it was part of the process. He still uses boxing footwork, he just doesn't stop using his footwork in his fights. His game is dependent on his constant footwork. But it's still from boxing footwork. He's compared himself to Willie Pep numerous times, he will probably say he watched his footwork early on in his fighting career.

He self taught himself because he didn't have a trianer/coach teach him that. We are talking about fighting techniques and martial arts, usually there is a master/teacher/trainer/coach. The ones that learn how to fight, learn techniques, and teach themselves techniques without the help of those is self-taught, the ones that create something new is creating. It's a combination of both for some fighters. Others will only self-teach themselves techniques from other martial arts, other will do that and also create something new. It's different for everyone, many need to be taught and wouldn't be able to do it the self-teaching way. Others also will not be able to create something new.

 

[Ogata]

cool. his best win was kevin kelley. he never fought derrick gainer, juan manuel marquez, or erik morales, and when he fought someone on their level, he got his ass beat.

i mean yeah, he had really good power. one of the hardest hitters ever is goofy. i don’t think he ever actually knocked more than one or two guys out cold.

the fuck are you talking about? lmao he left his chin up in the air and was off balance constantly. he hit the canvas regularly for this reason. have you ever actually watched the sport of boxing before?

The fuck you talking about?

Last time I checked he only lost once. That and he trained with Ingle who produced multiple world champions with that unconventional style. Maybe you should actually follow boxing.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

From my understanding he spent time at Mayweathers (when Money was active) and ultimately created what we see.

Its all basically striking evasive head movement and footwork with the slipping, but he just combines it in his own way that ended up working great. He hones it in with sparring rounds.

My favorite attribute with it was his ability to mix in his signature knee-tap TD he used in every fight. You didnt k ow when he switched if he was throwing an over-hand or hitting a knee-tap. Genius.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

The fuck you talking about?

Last time I checked he only lost once. That and he trained with Ingle who produced multiple world champions with that unconventional style. Maybe you should actually follow boxing.

what does brendan ingle have to do with what i said? lol kell brook and johnny nelson fight nothing like naseem. basically no one else in the history of the sport fought like naz. because it’s objectively bad.

 

[Ogata]

what does brendan ingle have to do with what i said? lol kell brook and johnny nelson fight nothing like naseem. basically no one else in the history of the sport fought like naz. because it’s objectively bad.

I am talking about unconventional boxing which Ingle taught. Naseem and Kell, Junior Witter and Nelson as well as Graham all had unconventional boxing that were different from each other. Naseem got sloppy towards the end but if you watch earlier fights, he wasn't sloppy and falling all over the place. He fought and beat Paul Ingle who is the embodiment of conventional boxing. You can't say his style was bad if he is beating so many other fighters.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I am talking about unconventional boxing which Ingle taught. Naseem and Kell, Junior Witter and Nelson as well as Graham all had unconventional boxing that were different from each other.

there was nothing unconventional about kell brook or johnny nelson. watch these fighters fight before you speak on them. herol graham was slightly unconventional for sure, and he lost to every good conventional boxer he fought. fundamentals matter dude.

Naseem got sloppy towards the end but if you watch earlier fights, he wasn't sloppy and falling all over the place. He fought and beat Paul Ingle who is the embodiment of conventional boxing. You can't say his style was bad if he is beating so many other fighters.

paul ingle is only the embodiment of mediocre 90’s featherweights.

 

[jeff7b9]

I am curios to know, what style of striking did he study in regards to his footwork?

I know he wrestled in high school but his striking does not resemble any other traditional martial arts as far as I can remember. Is he self-taught?

He studied old boxing film and came up with a footwork style based off of guys like Willie Pep.
(If you dig slick footwork check him out and check out Nicolino Locche, both nasty at defensive boxing, also Pernell Whittaker)

There is a really good YouTube video analysis on this, I'll see if I can find it.




Hmmm.... Maybe the first part for hit with a copyright strike, because it isn't showing up, but anyway, here is a playlist link of a bunch of cool analysis videos by BJJscout






Edit: lots of stuff is blocked, but if you click any of the working videos and then go to BJJ scout's yt page he has a Dominic Cruz playlist with 17 videos


If anyone wants to nerd out on this stuff I'll post a bunch of links to great videos on technique analysis from Pep and Locche and the guys Cruz based his style on.




https://youtu.be/cjM83yrrt44

https://youtu.be/cLOIgphTN8
https://youtu.be/xd6RAcq30IE

https://youtu.be/xd6RAcq30IE

https://youtu.be/xd6RAcq30IE