Dog VS Coyote

[TheRash]

I don't know what they're farming that rodents could ever be a bigger problem than the insects they consume.
I'll tell you right now that coyotes do absolutely nothing to preserve or enhance corn, soybeans or wheat farming.
Of course I'd still be willing to look at the studies you speak of.
And farmers have no say in how many you kill, only access to their land. It's open season on coyotes year round with no limits.

Agreed. Not only the notion that Coyotes play a keystone role in rodent control, but that field mice decimate grow crops makes his claim weird.

Coyotes are highly adaptable, and very intelligent, which makes them not just a menace to the ranching industry, but a down right liability to the health of a ranch.

I worked on a ranch out here in west Texas, and in the course of a single year the lamb yeild dropped from 92% to 20% because of coyote predation. It cost that ranch nearly $220,000 dollars in that year, almost put them out of business. The spooky thing is, to fix the problem, we hired a trapper and between the hunting and trapping we only killed six Yotes. The lamb yeild rebounded, and the ranch made profits again.

Meaning, that six Coyotes, six, nearly bankrupted a 30,000 acre ranch. Say what you want about me, but I truly enjoyed the privilege of squeezing the trigger on two of those Coyotes that year.

 

[FierceRedBelt]

Agreed. Not only the notion that Coyotes play a keystone role in rodent control, but that field mice decimate grow crops makes his claim weird.

Coyotes are highly adaptable, and very intelligent, which makes them not just a menace to the ranching industry, but a down right liability to the health of a ranch.

I worked on a ranch out here in west Texas, and in the course of a single year the lamb yeild dropped from 92% to 20% because of coyote predation. It cost that ranch nearly $220,000 dollars in that year, almost put them out of business. The spooky thing is, to fix the problem, we hired a trapper and between the hunting and trapping we only killed six Yotes. The lamb yeild rebounded, and the ranch made profits again.

Meaning, that six Coyotes, six, nearly bankrupted a 30,000 acre ranch. Say what you want about me, but I truly enjoyed the privilege of squeezing the trigger on two of those Coyotes that year.

I wouldn't bet on the 6 coyotes being a large portion of their population seems like it's much more likely you scared off the larger grouping.

 

[Killer Whale]

I'm sympathetic to how bad losing a pet to wildlife must feel.
But at the same time, when animals "suddenly get bold", it's not like they've been watching pro-animal propaganda films. It's almost always because selfish asshole humans have continued to take the land the animals need and have always had and build homes or strip malls on it, leaving the animals displaced, hungry, and desperate.

I feel super bad for displaced animals, but I live on a green belt where coyotes have unlimited territory and food but they still come down and viciously attack people’s pets. Fuck those things.

 

[The Hash Slinging Slasher]

They definitely aren't. Coyotes are pack animals who work more like hyenas when they hunt. Foxes are solitary killing machines.

Foxes look like dogs and act like cats.

 

[Omegaboy13]

Out here in thr West my dog has taken on a few Coyotes and won. He's getting older though and I worry about him getting into a fight that he'll lose. Dog is fearless, and the beginning of his life was on the rez. A serious warrior when it comes to protecting the family.

Unfortunately killing Coyotes can often times have effects opposite of the intended goal. More Coyotes you kill, the bigger their litters get, and the more they breed.

 

[TheRash]

I wouldn't bet on the 6 coyotes being a large portion of their population seems like it's much more likely you scared off the larger grouping.

I do not agree. There were 6 Coyotes following herds of Sheep for an entire year. That's 6 lambs a night being taken, multil that by 365 nights a year, and you have an enormous deficit to overcome.

As is said earlier, and with great confidence, Coyotes are dangerously adaptable. When they figure out that all they have to do is follow a herd of sheep and pick off the lambs for an easy meal, that is all Coyotes will do. They will follow Ewes, and never give up, and as soon as she drops a lamb (and in most cases 2) the Coyote will will predate, thus erasing all investment into that Ewe for the year (feed, hay, and veterinary expenses).

Another issue I have in this thread, Coyotes running in a pack. If I were to be humble and take a wild guess, I have personally killed +300 Coyotes. This is not to mention the snare line kills or the miss opportunities. I have never seen a pack of Coyotes.

Coyotes are not wolves, they do not operate as a group. In late summer you might see the new Pups leaving the den and still by "Mom's" side as they hunt, but it's rarely above three dogs. Coyotes are highly competitive, they hate sharing , which is why they often choose to expand thier territory rather than share. So to suggest that they run in a pack is absurd.

Long story short, Coyotes are incredibly adaptive, highly intelligent, yet creatures of habit. Of the 100's I've killed it's rare to see one above 40lbs. Coyotes are the dog version of a raccoon, and like any vermin control they must be extinguished.

 

[ElijahWood]

Back in the day there was a pretty horrendous video of a guy siccing a pitbull on a coyote. It was a hard watch.

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

Another issue I have in this thread, Coyotes running in a pack. If I were to be humble and take a wild guess, I have personally killed +300 Coyotes. This is not to mention the snare line kills or the miss opportunities. I have never seen a pack of Coyotes.

Coyotes are not wolves, they do not operate as a group. In late summer you might see the new Pups leaving the den and still by "Mom's" side as they hunt, but it's rarely above three dogs. Coyotes are highly competitive, they hate sharing , which is why they often choose to expand thier territory rather than share. So to suggest that they run in a pack is absurd.

Long story short, Coyotes are incredibly adaptive, highly intelligent, yet creatures of habit. Of the 100's I've killed it's rare to see one above 40lbs. Coyotes are the dog version of a raccoon, and like any vermin control they must be extinguished.

I count 5 in this pack. I tend to agree that there aren't likely to be any super packs of like 15-20 as some have said here. But under 10 seems to be more reasonable. I found a couple videos on YouTube where there were 4 or 5 in the pack. More reason to not be overly concerned about them taking out my two Akitas.

 

[FierceRedBelt]

I don't know why you guys are so confident. Three 40lb doggos, assuming they worked together, would murk the fuck out of the best 80lb dog on earth and easily.

 

[TheRash]

I count 5 in this pack. I tend to agree that there aren't likely to be any super packs of like 15-20 as some have said here. But under 10 seems to be more reasonable. I found a couple videos on YouTube where there were 4 or 5 in the pack. More reason to not be overly concerned about them taking out my two Akitas.

Like any adaptable animal Coyotes will see the advantage of grouping together, and nearly everytime this is anvantageous to a situational opportunity. Once that opportunity fades these animals will seperate and go thier own way.

A pack of wolves operate completely differently. There is an established hierarchy, and permanence in thier social structure. Coyotes do not do this. Coyotes notice that it takes two dogs to take out a yearling Deer, so they team up for that meal, and quickly seperate after the deed. In fact Coyotes become quite territorial on hunting ground, Coyotes just aren't pack animals.

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

I don't know why you guys are so confident. Three 40lb doggos, assuming they worked together, would murk the fuck out of the best 80lb dog on earth and easily.

They range from 18 lbs to 50 lbs, they're not all 40 lbs. The packs have an alpha female and an alpha male, and the rest tend to be their young offspring.

And we aren't talking about 1 dog. We are talking about 2 dogs. Dogs that are 2-5 times larger than a single coyote with 2 to 3 times the bite force. Dogs that aren't retrievers or show dogs, but a bonafide working and hunting breed. A breed that, based upon many stories shared, has been known to mow through coyotes.

I'm curious as to why - despite the stats and despite the stories - you're going in on the coyotes.

Just look at that size difference....

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

I don't know why you guys are so confident. Three 40lb doggos, assuming they worked together, would murk the fuck out of the best 80lb dog on earth and easily.

Time to rethink this. See vid. Dog takes out 11 coyotes.

Update on this topic since last post was nearly 3 years ago.

My male Akita is 115 lbs, no fat on him. He saved a neighbor's golden retriever from a big coyote. Coyote was messing with the retriever and I sent my boy out after it and that coyote ran like his ass was on fire.

A few weeks later we saw two smaller coyotes roaming together and my boy chased them off right quick.

My male Akita is everything you hear about Akitas. He adores me, tolerates my family, and can be mean as fuck to other dogs. Some he likes okay, but they have to have respectful energy. If they dont, my male wants to fight badly. I always have to keep him leashed. I dont mean to make him sound scary, because he is a good boy, but he has that Akita dominance for sure.

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

I was about to call b.s. but I'm guessing he didn't mean "at one time"?

See above about story of dog vs 11 coyotes.

 

[Broken_Hand]

When I was a kid my parents had a Borzoi that tore apart a couple coyotes. The dog was really nice, I guess she just hated coyotes.

Edit: not that I have coyotes where I live in Florida, but I'd be willing g to bet on my Cane Corso against one or two also. Damn coyotes don't fight fair though.

 

[mozfonky]

Been seeing weird coyote activity by me as well. Had one come within 6 feet of me last week. Odd odd behaviour.

Where abouts are you @Zeke's Chaingun ?

i saw deer in the middle of my major city. Something is very off with the world in my interpretation and they know it.

 

[Psilo82]

Never lived where they’ve been an issue but I’ve got a 120# cane corso who would most definitely wreck a coyote or 5

 

[AbominableJoman]

They'd rip your dick off and eat your guts!

Ffs! Can we never talk about chimps without dick eating!

 

[preppypyro]

My last dog was a golden retriever/lab cross. Female and such a sweet dog to humans, kids, cats.

Dunno what it was with coyotes and squirrels but she did not like them. She caught countless amounts of squirrels and killed them.
Coyotes she would chase them and not give a shit if they had a pack or whatnot, but never got attached by one, or caught one. She's used to chase bears up as well. She passed and we got a male golden retriever purebred.

New one barks and has a great protector bark, but likes to hide behind you when the coyotes get real close. He's a chicken shit where the female just didn't give a shit.

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

My boy: The Anti-Coyote machine





I was at a park one day with my male Akita on a leash and a guy with a Great Dane off leash let his dog run up on us. My boy growled at it and I told the guy that my dog is an Akita and isn't very dog friendly. He replied that his dog is nice but if my Akita does something mean his Dane would set him straight because the Dane was bigger than my Akita. A second time it ran up on us and my boy growled again. The third time was the final time and my boy jumped up, tackled the Great Dane to the ground and had a hold of the back of its neck before I could even move. He started to shake and the Dane was howling and I yanked my dog away by the collar as fast and hard as I could. I got him off of the GD. Luckily this all happened in a total of 2-3 seconds so no damage was done. It was the first time I'd seen my dog go off to that level and I was a bit unnerved by it.

 

[Fedorgasm]

All the coyotes I've encountered have been extremely skittish, I'd bet heavily on almost any dog the same size.

Coyotes are not designed for fighting, they're good for catching small prey like mice and rabbits.

I could see one taking down a deer but that's only because deer are huge pussies that basically exist to be an easy meal.