does anyone else think della maddalena vs islam will play out like chimaev vs duplessis?

[jeff7b9]

Weird that everyone is blaming Khamzat and seems like less are blaming dricus.


Khamzat was fighting for the title* and winning. The onus was not on him to change the trajectory of the fight and take risks


* his first title and lifelong dream
* he doesn't owe it to a bunch of assholes that will turn their back on him the literal very first time he hasn't maniacally pursued a finish, to risk derailing his career for their temporary approval

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If Islam is able to keep this fight on the mat...

JDM has previously shown, and he and his team have extensively discussed, urgently pursuing scrambles to get back up.

Scrambles by nature create chaos and openings, chaos and openings could lead to a finishing sequence.

 

[Rektkid]

Khamzat opting for control rather than looking for the finish in is last fight was an understandable anomaly. The guy is a murderous front runner.

Islam looking for the finish is the insane upward trajectory and confidence winning has given him.

 

[Squarechoke]

JDM:
Good at straight punches, keeping his distance to avoid the takedown
Uses footwork to keep it standing
Uses boxing to keep it standing

DDP:
- Kicks a ton to get taken down
- Throws off balance haymakers to get taken down
- switches stance mid combination to be off balance and get taken down


Khamzat:
Takes you down and keeps you there throwing lovetaps for 25 minutes

Islam:
Takes you down and looks for the submission




Short answer: NO
But obviously Islam could wrestle a lot and submit him

The fighter with a 80% finishing rate doesn't look for the finish but the one with a 64% finishing rate does? I don't know if I buy your fighter assessments.

 

[Dacha]

If is gets takedown early, he very likely wins.

If not it will be a war. Jdm has seriously sharp boxing for mma. No joke.

Duples is a brawler. He lands awkward, but Chimaew didn't brawl.

Probably most anticipated fight for me since Conor vs Khabib.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Really? "strong wrestler" is not Belal. Very different sytles.

Belal not a strong wrestler?

 

[moosaev]

have we seen della maddalena vs a strong wrestler before? not that i'm aware of. i have a feeling islam will run through jack like cumshot did through duplessis. of course time will tell. thoughts?

Nah. As much as I’d hope for that, Mak simply doesn’t have Chimaev’s dominant top control. Khabib and Chimaev are in a class by themselves. There is a chance islam gets an early sub though, if JDM panics and does something stupid.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Weird that everyone is blaming Khamzat and seems like less are blaming dricus.


Khamzat was fighting for the title* and winning. The onus was not on him to change the trajectory of the fight and take risks


* his first title and lifelong dream
* he doesn't owe it to a bunch of assholes that will turn their back on him the literal very first time he hasn't maniacally pursued a finish, to risk derailing his career for their temporary approval

_________________________


If Islam is able to keep this fight on the mat...

JDM has previously shown, and he and his team have extensively discussed, urgently pursuing scrambles to get back up.

Scrambles by nature create chaos and openings, chaos and openings could lead to a finishing sequence.

Let me play the middle ground here; agree that hazmat played it safe to ensure victory and that’s OK. However, fuck anyone that tells me I have to like it and that I’m a casual for not feeling entertained by 25 minutes of chest contact with zero attempts at meaningful gnp or submissions. That fight sucked balls and I hope hazmat doesn’t employ that strategy again anytime soon.

 

[Tweak896]

It's hilarious how 1 fight the narrative programming for Khamzat becomes "he only pillow punches for 25 minutes", probably ironically from people who spent years saying "if he doesn't finish you in the 1st round he gasses so bad he's not that good". What a joke.

I think the comparison is fine. Islam/Khamzat are fighters whose specialty is to takedown and submit, going up a weight class to fight the champion DDP/JDM are champs that prefer to stand against grapplers and not known for their bottom game and have been controlled in the past. Want to split hairs? sure there is differences in every fighter and they are all unique colors of the rainbow and zero are the same.

I'm shocked many don't see this as a free fight for Islam. I think in retrospect people are going to be like "JDM was a striker, he had an easy path". Probably for the same people saying JDM is giant and going to give Islam fits.

 

[Nausicaa]

No, they are completely different style of fighters. Islam likes to strike and MT with his opponents whereas Chimaev only goes for wrestling and take down. Islam is no where near as dominant as chimaev has shown against his competition thus far

 

[BabyBlue_Bomber]

I think Makhachev will have a hard time getting Della Maddalena to the ground and keeping him there…

 

[Lee Danger]

Weird that everyone is blaming Khamzat and seems like less are blaming dricus.

Blaming for what, for not being finished?
The responsability is on the guy in control, not the one controlled.

That said, the gap in wrestling between Dricus and Jack looks noticeable.

 

[BjPenn2017]

I don’t know why people underestimate JDMs ability to grapple.. dude did a good job of creating scrambles against a guy like Burns and completely nullified Belals grappling.

Islam is probably the best TD guy he’s ever faced but I’m doubtful of his ability to keep a guy like JDM grounded at 170, he also got tired grappling with Volk who is obviously world class but not a big guy at all.

 

[Tweak896]

I don’t know why people underestimate JDMs ability to grapple.. dude did a good job of creating scrambles against a guy like Burns and completely nullified Belals grappling.

Islam is probably the best TD guy he’s ever faced but I’m doubtful of his ability to keep a guy like JDM grounded at 170, he also got tired grappling with Volk who is obviously world class but not a big guy at all.

Damn. You were right nothing like Khamzat DDP.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

lol

well damn

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

have we seen della maddalena vs a strong wrestler before? not that i'm aware of. i have a feeling islam will run through jack like cumshot did through duplessis. of course time will tell. thoughts?

Great call

 

[chinarice]

JDM:
Good at straight punches, keeping his distance to avoid the takedown
Uses footwork to keep it standing
Uses boxing to keep it standing

DDP:
- Kicks a ton to get taken down
- Throws off balance haymakers to get taken down
- switches stance mid combination to be off balance and get taken down


Khamzat:
Takes you down and keeps you there throwing lovetaps for 25 minutes

Islam:
Takes you down and looks for the submission




Short answer: NO
But obviously Islam could wrestle a lot and submit him

You overrated JDM hard here. I don't get it. What do people see that I've yet to see from this guy?