Does a failed drug test matter in the GOAT discussion?

[JoshR86]

I agree. Hence I why I think it is a blur - it probably still affects the goat discussion greatly, but not absolute to the extent of cycling, sprinting, swimming, etc. where there is pretty much no question that PEDs 100% does affect outcome.

I agree, I still believe Jon Jones and Anderson Silva would be top 5 just based off their skill.

 

[imarayda]

That is a very uneducated response. Yes, TRT is raising your testosterone... But it's regulated my medical supervision. Pumping anabolic steroids is a completely different story. Not that I feel either belong in sports.

haha regulated by medical supervision. Your post just shows how naïve you are.

 

[felmmando]

Bodybuilding?

Hahaha

Hahaha indeed. For example, the guy who won the 1999 IFBB World Amateur Championships was disqualified after he failed his drug test.

 

[chaos_36]

If a fighter knocked out everyone in his division in the UFC with soccer kicks would you think they're the GOAT? Of course not, soccer kicks aren't permitted in the rules neither are PEDs.

 

[Bodil]

Anyone who doesn't consider PED as a disqualification is biased and possibly retarded.

It's a competition and some people used an unfair edge, therefore it takes them out of the race. Simple.

The consensus 4 GOATs are Silva, Jones, GSP and Fedor. Regardless of roids Silva doesn't belong there with 8 losses.

That leaves Jones, GSP and Fedor. Jones is a PED chest.

GSP vs Fedor... and GSP has vastly superior stats than Fedor.

GSP GOAT.

 

[ShreddinMMA]

Yeah.

If USADA clears it then I'm fine. If not, it bothers me. And twice is a deal breaker.

 

[GTS]

Nick Diaz cant be GOAT because he shot up marijuana too many times. That shit supports terrorism.

 

[Perrichet]

Of course. Just like in every sport. It doesn’t matter to fans of confirmed PED cheaters

 

[lenbiasgoat]

For me yes.. But i totally understand why combat athletes would use.

 

[Aforo88]

Obviously asking about your opinion on it. I'm more liberal than a guy that immediately disqualifies anyone who's tested positive, but I do hold those who have yet to fail above them; I think both Fedor and GSP are above Anderson and Jones for that very reason, but I also think that all four of those guys are amazing fighters and that PEDs aren't the only reason they are great, in the case of the last two.

Spoiler

Dick pills is a weak as shit excuse though, at least own up to the fact that you cheated.

Dose fighters sementing their legacy in orgs that didnt test matter? Dose the type of drug they failed for matter? Having a 10x the test is pretty different from having failed cuz of to high thc levels.
For me its more complex than the black or white way of thinking that many fans seem to cling on to.

 

[Mga223]

Is literally having super human strength and cardio cheating?

Hmm.....

Lmao

 

[Mga223]

Wrong.

Anabolic steroids are compounds that include natural androgens (testosterone) *as well as* synthetic androgens that are structurally related and have similar effects to testosterone.

Testosterone by itself is not considered a steroid.

Dude half the people on sherdog if not more have no clue.

 

[Spacelord13]

Of course it does. Not a single win in a career means a damn thing if you cheated to get it.

Ben Johnson lost his records, and medals. That is only right . As much as it sucked because I was a big fan. How can you claim victory if you cheated ? Only a douchebag, and dishonest piece of shit will say it doesn’t matter.

If a fighter pops, they’re out of the discussion forever.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

nah. I don't really care. I don't think getting caught for the thing that everyone does in secret is a problem.

The problem is that getting caught means one of three things:

1) You can't afford decent drugs (ie you make less than 20K a year). This applies to no one in the GOAT discussion.
2) Your IQ is in the 70 range (ie you can't follow the relatively simple procedures needed to beat random testing). Everyone in the GOAT discussion is actually fairly intelligent.
3) You're using such heavy dosages that you get caught despite using good drugs and following procedure.

Basically its number 3: exceptionally heavy dosages to get an advantage for every major UFC fighter, which means getting caught is an issue, because it means doing more than the people not getting caught.

People misunderstand testing, its not a test of using/not-using, its a limit test - ie the only way to test positive is using too much. The testing limits the amount you can cheat.

 

[Thai Domi]

I think both Fedor and GSP are above Anderson and Jones

And GSP greased against a LW, so Fedor the GOAT is above him.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Wrong.

Anabolic steroids are compounds that include natural androgens (testosterone) *as well as* synthetic androgens that are structurally related and have similar effects to testosterone.

Testosterone by itself is not considered a steroid.

Check your biochem and/or organic chem text books. Testosterone is a steroid (look for the four necessary cycloalkane rings if you doubt).

For example:

https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/testosterone#section=Top

 

[smithnwssn]

If you have failed twice or you've failed once plus you've been on trt, I have to hold it against that fighter. I'm not a big Anderson fan but he failed twice at the end of his career so maybe I could give him a pass especially when he failed first fight back after breaking his leg. But everyone else I can't look past.

Guys like Belfort and Sonnen are 2 guys that I completely ignore any of their wins when it comes to a serious discussion. Sonnen 3 times plus trt and Belfort twice plus trt. It makes me laugh when people say that Sonnen almost beat Anderson in their first fight lmao, Sonnen would have never won, he tested positive for that very fight. So Sonnen's biggest win of his career to a lot of people was his first fight with Anderson, which he lost, then tested positive which mean he would have never won. Lol people are idiots. I love Sonnen btw. He's the man WWE style.

 

[Soul On Ice]

No since the level of testing isn't equal

Of the 4 consensus GOATs the 2 that have popped just happen to be the 2 who have multiple fights under the USADA era.

The 2 "cheats" have a combined 7 fights under USADA
The 2 "clean" have a combine 1 fight under USADA

Probably just a coincidence tho.

 

[Rusk]

Absolutely! That is why Anderson Silva and Jones are out of GOAT discussion for me.

 

[Lint]

I used to be very uptight about it, but these days I've been mostly not caring.

Aldo once said that everyone on UFC is at something, from newcomer to champion, I tend to agree with him now. The only difference being that some have better tools to evade USADA while others don't. GSP not being busted just boggles me.