Does a failed drug test matter in the GOAT discussion?

[hot carl]

Abso-friken-lutely it does.

If you’ve popped for roids, you don’t belong in the goat discussion.

I do struggle with pride fighters as I’m unsure whether roids or peds we’re banned.

My concern really only applies to fedor. But if his competition was roiding, and if he was too, and wasn’t illegal or banned, seems like a level playing field.

And my thoughts on the matter suck as I was a huge anderson Silva fan.

 

[Bodil]

Stats? Fedor has longer winstreak, more finishes, fought larger opponents, did t lose in his prime, and would kick the living shit out of gsp.

It's p4p GOAT, Fedor winning vs GSP is a stupid argument.

Finishes and win streaks are irrelevant. "Prime'' is a made up term that fanboys like to use to make losses not count (Fedor lost at 32 vs Werdum). It's all about strength of competition and win/loss ratio. GSP handily wins on both.

 

[myjohnson9]

It's p4p GOAT, Fedor winning vs GSP is a stupid argument.

Finishes and win streaks are irrelevant. "Prime'' is a made up term that fanboys like to use to make losses not count (Fedor lost at 32 vs Werdum). It's all about strength of competition and win/loss ratio. GSP handily wins on bot.

Lol ok bro you can make up whatever fantasy rules you want for your opinion of goat. But my goat would kick your goats ass

 

[YeahNo]

No, you have no idea what your talking about, read up on how to cycle, you always need testosterone as a base, because a cycle of let's say Deca which only highlights certain aspects of testosterone, but doesn' cover the broad range of hormones you receive from testoerone.

Let's say that there are 10 hormones associated with testosterone. Deca will amplify 3.

But the other 7 will be shut off.

I only used those numbers to simplify my argument. So every athlete who does steroids needs to administer synthetic testosterone in order to maintain proper hormone activity.

Now, if the tests were able to decipher between natural and synthetically injected testosterone than every single bust would turn up a negative test for testosterone.

As soon as they started testing for the genetic make up of testosterone the companies just altered it and made it identical. If you want i can get you the exact molecular structure of natural testosterone and you can make it yourself.

You need to educate yourself. If a lab has a sample of synthetic testosterone, and a sample of natural testosterone. It's a simple test in the lab to determine which is which. I'm not arguing about testing after injection. You said they were identical, and the fact is, they're not. There are chemical differences.

 

[YeahNo]

No, you have no idea what your talking about, read up on how to cycle, you always need testosterone as a base, because a cycle of let's say Deca which only highlights certain aspects of testosterone, but doesn' cover the broad range of hormones you receive from testoerone.

Let's say that there are 10 hormones associated with testosterone. Deca will amplify 3.

But the other 7 will be shut off.

I only used those numbers to simplify my argument. So every athlete who does steroids needs to administer synthetic testosterone in order to maintain proper hormone activity.

Now, if the tests were able to decipher between natural and synthetically injected testosterone than every single bust would turn up a negative test for testosterone.

As soon as they started testing for the genetic make up of testosterone the companies just altered it and made it identical. If you want i can get you the exact molecular structure of natural testosterone and you can make it yourself.

To be more specific, the most common form of synthetic testosterone, cypionate, is designed for better solubility in oil-based injection mediums. It is also designed to be better absorbed over a longer period of time than natural testosterone. In short, from a chemical makeup perspective, they're different. In fact, synthetic is actually better because of the nice even absorption over time.

 

[Ruthless_swag]

Obviously asking about your opinion on it. I'm more liberal than a guy that immediately disqualifies anyone who's tested positive, but I do hold those who have yet to fail above them; I think both Fedor and GSP are above Anderson and Jones for that very reason, but I also think that all four of those guys are amazing fighters and that PEDs aren't the only reason they are great, in the case of the last two.

Spoiler

Dick pills is a weak as shit excuse though, at least own up to the fact that you cheated.

If you pop you are out of GoAT talks but you can always be steroid GoAT. Jones is steroid GoAT. Dc clean GoAT.

 

[NationWideNinja]

No if it was an even playing field in all his/her fights, or at least in the most crucial ones.

And yes if there are cases of fights where that GOAT had the advantage and might have lost without that advantage.

So for example I dont think Anderson ever faced anyone that was clean during his epic run. Same for Fedor. So I dont really care about PEDs when it comes to their legacy.
Whereas with Jon, you could argue that he fought a clean Gus and DC, and you could make a VERY safe assumption that without that advantage he could have lost the fight against both men.

 

[AtaTheCrow]

Yes, only pussies take steroids.

No, only pussies don't take steroids.
True story, you know why they don't take steroids, bc they are afraid of the side effects, they are AFFRAID = Pussies.
Not to mention that Top Athlete that have the money takes HGH. Usada can't find it.

There is no other reason. If Testosterone didn't had side effects, every sane man would take it.
Why the fukk not take it, if it had only positives?

Get a brain and stay clean phagit

 

[Kumason]

and the cocaine use only satan knows if he's using that for an edge or even weight cutting

How would you use cocaine for an edge lol,especially if you're addicted and doing it often.

 

[GSPSAKU]

Obviously asking about your opinion on it. I'm more liberal than a guy that immediately disqualifies anyone who's tested positive, but I do hold those who have yet to fail above them; I think both Fedor and GSP are above Anderson and Jones for that very reason, but I also think that all four of those guys are amazing fighters and that PEDs aren't the only reason they are great, in the case of the last two.

Spoiler

Dick pills is a weak as shit excuse though, at least own up to the fact that you cheated.

One, maybe not but TWO OR MORE, definitely. Sorry, Jon's tested positive twice for actual PEDs.

 

[Bodil]

Lol ok bro you can make up whatever fantasy rules you want for your opinion of goat. But my goat would kick your goats ass

Guess Werdum is GOAT then.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

Absolutely. Thats the way this game works. The “ come on you dont think gsp take roids, look at his body” “fyodor looked ripped in pride “ talk is bullshit. Maybe your daughter’s boyfriend drove drunk one time or 10 times.. you never know unless he gets a dui. Other than than he never drove drunk unless he is dumb enough to brag about it.

Jones and Anderson got caught cheating and there is nothing else to be said or done about it. Cormier , Fyodor and Gsp never did....

 

[JfPuffNStuff]

Absolutely it does. I can’t consider Bones or Silva as Goats and never will because of the multiple failed tests. They will always have an * by their names.