Do you think Stipe will beat Ngannou for a 2nd time?

[Ch31ck]

Depends on which version of both fights show up. Ngannou has been both the patient counter striker and the impatient wild haymaker striker.

If Stipe is not too damaged from his fights with Cormier and he hasn’t gotten too old, and if the impatient wild version of Ngannou shows up, we’ll get a repeat of the first fight. Seeing as how frustrated Ngannou is with how long this fight is taking, this is a real possibility.

That being said, if a damaged or old version of Stipe shows up and Ngannou is patient, I see Ngannou stuffing takedowns and knocking him out.

Where it gets interesting is if both guys show up in their best form. A smart, tactical Stipe that mixes takedowns, feints and head movement vs a patent, counter striking Ngannou with his reaction time in top form could be an interesting and very competitive fight.

I agree completely with this analysis. Although I don't think Ngannou will rush in and swing wildly like he did before. He's learned from the embarrassment he's suffered after losing to Stipe. Literally everyone turned on him after that, even Dana. He knows this is his last chance at redemption.

 

[Herwald]

I'm thinking yeah, Stipe wins again.

 

[rjmbrd]

UFC heavyweight MMA is such a sad state of affairs.

Stipe is pushing 40 and he's fighting a completely one dimensional guy who swings donkey-kong punches and doesn't know how to wrestle. Literally, does not know how to wrestle, at the highest level of MMA.

Until the pay scale changes we are going to keep shuffling around old farts in the upper weight divisions.

Stipe is the better fighter, Ngannou is the bigger stronger athlete. Punchers chance is real, he's a live dog.

 

[campbecc]

Most likely Stipe will win but Ngannou can knock anyone out if he lands clean.

 

[YourBoss]

Ngannou will win by ko. Stipe is declining.

 

[markg171]

Lol stipe had good head movement in a lot of exchanges against cormier and the only reason it looked worse is because cormier has fast hands and good technique. It’s a way different stylistic match up and a lot harder to exhibit good defense with the head against cormier than francis.


Lol at saying his ability to throw on the move is gone when he’s only fought cormier. Terrible analysis tbh

If you thought Cormier's hand speed presented Stipe problems, then in what world can you possibly say that Francis' won't? Francis throws much faster than Cormier lol.

 

[WhosTheBoss]

Francis should win this. Stipe is older, slower, and has not looked as sharp in his rematch.

Francis via KO within 2 rounds.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

I think Stipe has to accept the fight before he can win it.

Let's see if he accepts or if the UFC strips him of the title and makes Ngannou vs Jones for the belt.

I hope Stipe accepts. I like his fights. But one fight a year is not enough, and he can't cherry pick fights when he doesn't fight often.

If Stipe accepts the fight, he's going to have a tough night out, but it's a winnable fight for him if he can avoid the power shots and wear Ngannou down. But if DC can connect on him, so can Ngannou, so it's a toss up imo

 

[Morning Star]

Stipe is getting KTFO this time around. Only takes one punch from Big Frank to end a fight.

 

[Final Say]

If you thought Cormier's hand speed presented Stipe problems, then in what world can you possibly say that Francis' won't? Francis throws much faster than Cormier lol.

But francis throws punches like he’s throwing a baseball. His wind up is ridiculous, they take way longer to arrive and you can see them coming. Sometimes he throws from his hip. Cormier has very good hand speed at heavyweight but also wity good technique so they’re much, much harder to see coming

 

[Deleted member 567183]

I ABSOLUTELY KNOW FOR A FACT THAT STIPE WILL WIN AGAIN

Maybe but i will not be surprised if Ngannou KO him because he is been working on his ground game and BJJ

 

[markg171]

But francis throws punches like he’s throwing a baseball. His wind up is ridiculous, they take way longer to arrive and you can see them coming. Sometimes he throws from his hip. Cormier has very good hand speed at heavyweight but also wity good technique so they’re much, much harder to see coming

Lmfao Cormier's punches in no way arrive faster than Francis'

 

[realdmone1]

Maybe but i will not be surprised if Ngannou KO him because he is been working on his ground game and BJJ

YEAH WORKING ON CARDIO TOO--we will see who is better on that night i suppose

 

[Final Say]

Lmfao Cormier's punches in no way arrive faster than Francis'

They absolutely do and it’s pure technique, watch francis fight. It’s not a question.

 

[markg171]

They absolutely do and it’s pure technique, watch francis fight. It’s not a question.

Lol have you watched Francis fight? In Francis' last fight he threw like 8 punches in 2 seconds. Cormier has never come close to that.

Francis without question throws and lands faster than Cormier. That's such a ridiculous claim to make.

 

[Final Say]

Lol have you watched Francis fight? In Francis' last fight he threw like 8 punches in 2 seconds. Cormier has never come close to that.

Francis without question throws and lands faster than Cormier. That's such a ridiculous claim to make.

I’m not claiming it, I’m stating the obvious truth. Francis has a ridiculous wind up, sometimes throwing from behind his own body and often throwing from his hip. That’s why stipe was able to easily evade his punches because they’re easy to see comint.

Cormier throws with clean technique from the chamber, the way boxing technique intended. They are very fast to land from the chamber. I’m not really asking.....

 

[XmarkX]

Is Stipe not in his prime anymore? When did he lose his prime?

I think that he is still the best Hw but like I already said it. Age, damage taken and motivation are a factor and I think that he is more beatable now.(although still the favourite against Ngannou).

You don't think a year is enough for Jones to reap the full benefits of rest? And why do you think he's off the juice? Because he lost to Reyes?

Yes of course that is enough, but is more about Stipe ,he is the champion at HW ( the greatest one in Ufc history), if Jones wants a superfight why should Stipe fight a "qualification" match against Ngannou first and take more damage, he is already 38 and has taken a good amount of damage in his last four fights, if Jones want to be a HW and Ngannou wants a fight so bad let them fight each other and earn the opportunity to fight Stipe not the other way around, Stipe has never ducked anyone so at this stage of his career is time to look what is best for him and be the one making the call, but the problem is that the UFC don't want him as a champion

 

[markg171]

I’m not claiming it, I’m stating the obvious truth. Francis has a ridiculous wind up, sometimes throwing from behind his own body and often throwing from his hip. That’s why stipe was able to easily evade his punches because they’re easy to see comint.

Cormier throws with clean technique from the chamber, the way boxing technique intended. They are very fast to land from the chamber. I’m not really asking.....

It's not an obvious truth, but a flat out lie. Francis throws faster even WITH the ridiculous wind ups. Cormier throwing cleaner doesn't mean he throws faster. That's what you for whatever reason are trying to ignore.

Just watch their punches and it's without even the slightest question Francis.

 

[spinup]

But francis throws punches like he’s throwing a baseball. His wind up is ridiculous, they take way longer to arrive and you can see them coming. Sometimes he throws from his hip. Cormier has very good hand speed at heavyweight but also wity good technique so they’re much, much harder to see coming

Cormier has a more compact boxing style, which has its pros and cons.
Stipe won't have the option to safely box at range against Ngannou and his 83" reach. He has to take significant risk for each significant strike.

If you think Ngannou is technically weak, you're missing something. He has deceptively good footwork (when fresh), his counters are fast and accurate and his ability to chain power punches is unique in the division. Yes, when he moves forward he is often telegraphed but that's not all his game.

What I wonder is what happens if/when Ngannou start throwing the leg kicks he used against JDS and Blaydes.
Does Stipe catch them and get a TD? They're fast and upward so not that easy.

 

[Final Say]

It's not an obvious truth, but a flat out lie. Francis throws faster even WITH the ridiculous wind ups. Cormier throwing cleaner doesn't mean he throws faster. That's what you for whatever reason are trying to ignore.

Just watch their punches and it's without even the slightest question Francis.

well, you can watch stipe fighting the two of them and see why stipe was easily able to evade francis ugly punches but got repeatedly touched by the much smaller man in cormier.

Ask yourself why that is if you can’t see it for yourself

Both guys have fast hands for the division, but cormier’s punches go from chamber to destination much faster because they travel far less distance because he uses proper technique.

Again, I’m not asking, I’m explaining something to you