Do you think Stipe will beat Ngannou for a 2nd time?

[BFoe]

How many times out of 10 do you think current Fedor beats current Francis?

Lol current Fedor? Why would I ever want him to fight Francis? Current Fedor wins 0-1 times out of 10.

 

[SoberAwakening]

If Stipe can nullify DC like he did in that second fight, he can definitely nullify Ngannou's power and speed like he did in their first fight. However, Stipe can also get caught just like any other HW because Ngannou is that fast.

That's why rematches are intriguing at HW. DC vs Stipe 1 and 2. Cain vs JDS 1,2, and 3. Things can happen quick.

 

[Fergelmince]

Whoever the fuck is saying ngannoo is better has absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support that dream.

 

[Final Say]

I think decline is a gradual process, and it was happening to both DC and Stipe. Both looked slow throughout that series, and particularly in the last fight. It’s not as simple as Stipe being in prime for the Ngannou fight and not in prime 6 months later. Stipe—like all fighters—is declining, aging, and slowing down, and it happens over time. He looked old, slow, and not like his usual self in the last fight.

Maybe they looked that way because of who they were fighting and the stylistic Match up...

sure, they aren’t young, but to assume they both just fell off a cliff is a stretch considering they were both fighting an all time great

 

[The Chosen]

It’ll be determined in the first 4 minutes

 

[The Chosen]

Even Bigi Boy clipped him 2 times and nearly a 3rd in that exchange,just without complete contact. Crazy how such flailing haymakers actually worked.

but MMA bros said they would never lose a street fight because untrained fighters have no chance...

 

[EnthusiastCultivator]

Francis by brutal KO in the 2nd round. Remember folks, Stipe started wrestling when Ngannou got tired, I think it’s fair to say after 3 years Ngannou likely sharpened his cardio given how he admitted it’s his biggest fault and worked on it.

Francis will go light at first to gauge the distance and create traps and finish Stipe in the 2nd round. You heard it here first boys.

 

[Final Say]

but MMA bros said they would never lose a street fight because untrained fighters have no chance...

Lol... the average man stands absolutely no chance against a well trained and experienced counterpart. One in a million, particularly if you’re the same size.

A ufc flyweight beats up most average men. Quickly

 

[The Chosen]

Lol... the average man stands absolutely no chance against a well trained and experienced counterpart. One in a million, particularly if you’re the same size.

A ufc flyweight beats up most average men. Quickly

I would choose the thug who’s been in street fights since he was 10 to the nerd boy who thinks he’s a badass for training the Jitz tbh

 

[Final Say]

I would choose the thug who’s been in street fights since he was 10 to the nerd boy who thinks he’s a badass for training the Jitz tbh

Well just doing jiu jitsu is one thing but if a guy has consistently trained in combat sports and has experience, even if only sparring in the gym, he’s going to win 99 out of 100 times against a guy with no formal training or experience

 

[The Chosen]

Well just doing jiu jitsu is one thing but if a guy has consistently trained in combat sports and has experience, even if only sparring in the gym, he’s going to win 99 out of 100 times against a guy with no formal training or experience

challenge a guy like this to a fight and see how it turns out

 

[Pem123]

Francis is definetly improving, but i still expect stipe to win.

although i would not be surprised if francis got the ko win.

 

[kalabula]

Francis is seemingly the same fighter he was leading up to the first match. That being said, it’s hard to say if he’s is being that his fights last for a few minutes, tops.

 

[OverhandLoop]

 

[BFoe]

Maybe they looked that way because of who they were fighting and the stylistic Match up...

sure, they aren’t young, but to assume they both just fell off a cliff is a stretch considering they were both fighting an all time great

It’s probably a mix. Watch Stipe-DC 1; I’m talking about things like how often Stipe gets tagged with no real defense for it: he can’t see the punches coming, and doesn’t have the movement to get out of the way of a lot of them. He seemed slow to me and his reflexes weren’t great. That said, the wrestling heavy gameplan that Stipe worked on Francis wasn’t going to work on DC, so I agree that styles played some role too.
But both guys were past their best days. There was a world of difference between DC that night and the DC at HW we saw in Strikeforce. Stipe is 38 years old, and has been fighting for a decade. He seems to clearly be leaving his prime to me, I don’t know why that would be seen as a crazy take. Both looked like old fighters in the last fight.

 

[Final Say]

challenge a guy like this to a fight and see how it turns out

Lol I’m a hip hop fan and I’m familiar with Casanova.

I also know how fighting works. I know amateurs and pros and street fighters and white collar officer workers and everything in between. If you don’t have formal experience and training, a skinny little white boy who has been doing it consistently for some time is going to beat you up. It’s that simple. Casanova will lose a fight against a ufc bantamweight 10 out of 10 times

 

[Final Say]

It’s probably a mix. Watch Stipe-DC 1; I’m talking about things like how often Stipe gets tagged with no real defense for it: he can’t see the punches coming, and doesn’t have the movement to get out of the way of a lot of them. He seemed slow to me and his reflexes weren’t great. That said, the wrestling heavy gameplan that Stipe worked on Francis wasn’t going to work on DC, so I agree that styles played some role too.
But both guys were past their best days. There was a world of difference between DC that night and the DC at HW we saw in Strikeforce. Stipe is 38 years old, and has been fighting for a decade. He seems to clearly be leaving his prime to me, I don’t know why that would be seen as a crazy take. Both looked like old fighters in the last fight.

I’m not saying it’s a crazy take. I guess my point is that fighting DC, seeing all his punches coming and evading them is a much tougher task than doing the same against francis. Dc has way better fundamentals and boxing skills, less windup and his strikes come straight from the chamber. It’s easy to look slow when you’re fighting a relatively quick heavyweight with good technique.

Much, much easier to employ effective head movement, footwork and other defensive movement against a style like francis than it is against dc.

 

[Memeojima]

challenge a guy like this to a fight and see how it turns out

Have you seen rappers fight? Better leave it to the pros. Paddy Pimblett would tap him easily

 

[BFoe]

I’m not saying it’s a crazy take. I guess my point is that fighting DC, seeing all his punches coming and evading them is a much tougher task than doing the same against francis. Dc has way better fundamentals and boxing skills, less windup and his strikes come straight from the chamber. It’s easy to look slow when you’re fighting a relatively quick heavyweight with good technique.

Much, much easier to employ effective head movement, footwork and other defensive movement against a style like francis than it is against dc.

That’s a fair point. As far as my prediction on their rematch, it’s tough to say. Excluding the Lewis shitshow, pretty much Francis sparks guys quick and we don’t know what happens if he’s unable to. The only time we’ve seen that was against Stipe, and it didn’t go well for Francis. For me, I’m weighing out what I think the possible improvements could be in Ngannou’s game vs the decline I believe we’re seeing in Stipe’s game. I’m leaning towards Francis catching him this time. Interesting fight either way though.

 

[spinup]

I’m not saying it’s a crazy take. I guess my point is that fighting DC, seeing all his punches coming and evading them is a much tougher task than doing the same against francis. Dc has way better fundamentals and boxing skills, less windup and his strikes come straight from the chamber. It’s easy to look slow when you’re fighting a relatively quick heavyweight with good technique..

That's very very different, you can't draw conclusions. Ngannou is way longer than DC and not slow, the distance hierarchy is reversed. He may wind up, but often it's a trap. Especially he can alternate right hand over the top and right uppercut, Stipe got caught ducking into an uppercut i their first fight. He also counters right hands with long left hooks using his reach advantage.

And not to forget the obvious: DC landed a lots of shot on Stipe in their 3 fights. Ngannou wouldn't need to land half that many to get a finish.