International Do you support very fast mass deportations with quick trials?

[syct23]

Why do you even need one to determine if someone is in the federal system ? Shouldn't that be a process that only takes a few minutes ? If it only takes a few minutes to confirm citizenship why do you need a trial ?

Because a trial is Due Process..

Yes it’s tedious, but also yes, these are relatively quick cases.. hell you could assembly line it..

Judge: does the defendant have legal paperwork?
Defendant 1: No
Judge: Goodbye, try again, Next.

Judge: does the defendant have legal paperwork?
Defendant 2: No
Judge: Goodbye, try again, Next.

Judge: Does the defendant have legal paperwork?
Defendant 3: Yes, work visa.
Judge: Make sure your paperwork is in order and up to date, have a nice day.

Judge: Does the defendant have legal paperwork?
Defendant 4: No
Judge: Goodbye, try again, next.

Tedious but simple cases, I don’t understand why people think each individual case would take weeks and months of discovery and trials..

Though I am sure there would be some exceptions.

 

[Soggust]

Republicans: "We have millions and millions of people over 100 years old receiving benefits because the government doesn't keep good records!"

Also Republicans: "Why can't we just check them against 'the list' and deport them in 15 mins?"

 

[lowlife]

I recall reading recently that trial costs of one illegal alien were to the tune ot $5 million dollars. Lawyer fees are pricy and it was being paid for by tax payers. If that is true then our immigration system is broken and in need of reforms. Maybe a quicker deportation process would be of benefit to tax payers.

Sometimes the Democrat/left party is referred to as the party of lawyers. If you are an attorney I could imagine there is a lot of money to be made with a long drawn out process for deportation. It is like divorce court I suppose. In most places in the world divorce tends to not take to long. In America divorce can take a long time and cost huge amounts of money in lawyers fees. s I've read lawyers and Democrats don't want to reform the current family court/ divorce court system despite the problems it is creating.

I did see that it appears with the current system many illegal aliens are now self deporting.

Illegal Aliens Are Self-Deporting​

“I’m leaving once and for all"​

Illegal Aliens Are Self-Deporting | Frontpage Mag

“I’m leaving once and for all"

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I just did some quick looking for the cost of immigration trials and hearings, I wasn't able to find anything about a $5 million dollar case. That seems extremely excessive, do you have a source?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

JFC, this thread really highlights that without low-IQ, low-information voters, Republicans would lose every election 80-20.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Republicans: "We have millions and millions of people over 100 years old receiving benefits because the government doesn't keep good records!"

Also Republicans: "Why can't we just check them against 'the list' and deport them in 15 mins?"

Just open up the "Legal/Illegal" Excel file, hit ctrl + f and look up the name! If they're there, legal, if not, illegal.

 

[evansusmc2]

So long as they're are give enough notice of their trial, time to gather evidence,

THIS is what illegals pray for. Enough time, smoke and mirrors to disappear. Thus causing the problems have currently have.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

That still feels too expedited to be considered due process. Due process guarantees an individual is treated fairly and equally. That means being given adequate notice and ample time to plead their case before the government can deprive them of their liberties, properties or life. This is a core principle of the constitution protecting from government overreach.

Isn't the right to due process a right guaranteed to American citizens? These people aren't American citizens.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

I did see that it appears with the current system many illegal aliens are now self deporting.

Illegal Aliens Are Self-Deporting​

“I’m leaving once and for all"​

Illegal Aliens Are Self-Deporting | Frontpage Mag

“I’m leaving once and for all"

www.frontpagemag.com

Which is the whole point. They'll just bide their time and come back next time a Democrat is in the white house.

 

[rj144]

Isn't the right to due process a right guaranteed to American citizens? These people aren't American citizens.

How do you know they're not American citizens without due process???

 

[Deleted member 592570]

How do you know they're not American citizens without due process???

Ask to see their passports.

 

[Siver!]

What's the point of deporting people without due process and then giving them visas to work like Trump has flip flopped on?

And certainly don't send them to a super max if you don't know what you're doing.

Seems basic to me.

 

[panamaican]

Actually, conservatives don't support this. If they did, they would have funded more fucking judges years ago.

People have seen saying for years that the barrier to increased deportations was not border security. It was the lack of enough judges and court appointed lawyers to handle the cases.

1) Without enough judges, detainees were sitting for months or years waiting for their hearings.

2) That led to the detention facilities becoming overcrowded.

3) That lead to detainees having to be released into the public while they waited for their trial dates because there wasn't enough space to hold them.

And every time, people said "Can we please increase funding for the judiciary so that we can hire more judges and expedite these deportations hearings," the right wing said "No, let's just put up more fences because who gives a fuck about accelerating the deportation process itself."

This thread should really be asking "Why does the right wing of the political spectrum oppose funding more judges so we can finally address the backlog?" Instead it's going to ignore history and try to blame the left wing of the political spectrum because owning their mistakes is always harder than fake-owning the libs.

 

[Soggust]

Just open up the "Legal/Illegal" Excel file, hit ctrl + f and look up the name! If they're there, legal, if not, illegal.

Sorry, "Jose Ramirez" has been crossed off already so must be imposters.

Lock em both up

 

[Mikeydontgiva]

The majority of Americans want ALL illegal migrants to be deported, not just the ones who commit crime.

If they come illegally, than they have ALREADY committed a crime. Deportations were never an issue under Biden, Obama, Bush, etc.

 

[DoctorTaco]

trial costs of one illegal alien were to the tune ot $5 million dollars

Source?

 

[evansusmc2]

Depends on the case. Not everyoneis going to have federally accepted identification on them at all times, and ICE isn't giving people the chance to get it.
The biggest issue is that ICE in many of these cases are being given SSN, Real ID, etc and still refusing to release people.

This is exactly why you need due process. Because at the lower levels, people are not doing what they are supposed to

Dude with family and friends in border patrol checking in,

These illegals getting rounded up are asked that stuff IMMEDIATELY. The vast majority of them just look down at the ground with no answer when it comes to ID, SSN etc etc. That is why the vast majority aren't given much due process. Have there been some onesies and twosies that have deported wrongly? yeah possibly. The omelet is still being made though.

 

[cincymma79]

That still feels too expedited to be considered due process. Due process guarantees an individual is treated fairly and equally. That means being given adequate notice and ample time to plead their case before the government can deprive them of their liberties, properties or life. This is a core principle of the constitution protecting from government overreach.

Non answer

 

[cincymma79]

JFC, this thread really highlights that without low-IQ, low-information voters, Republicans would lose every election 80-20.

Jeez I just can’t figure why they don’t vote for your team. Have you tried telling them you’re cut their kids dicks off without telling them?

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

THIS is what illegals pray for. Enough time, smoke and mirrors to disappear. Thus causing the problems have currently have.

Due process is a right granted to everyone in American soil. Constitutional rights shall not be infringed upon.

If they flee ICE will do their job and they'll get deported anyway. But you cannot just blindly round up people who think are probably illegal, strip them of due process, and go "oh well they're in El Salvador now, I can't do anything about it".

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Dude with family and friends in border patrol checking in,

These illegals getting rounded up are aske that stuff IMMEDIATELY. The vast majority of them just look down at the ground with no answer when it comes to ID, SSN etc etc. That is why the vast majority aren't given much due process. Have there been some onesies and twosies that have deported wrongly? yeah possibly. The omelet is still being made though.

There is no acceptable amount of constitutional violations. They have a right to due process. No legal residents should ever be wrongfully deported. Self reflection is in order if you see no issue with legal residents being removed along with illegal ones.

I know American born citizens who couldn't recite their social on the spot. That is not in any way an acceptable reason to deport