International Do you support very fast mass deportations with quick trials?

[lowlife]

So you admit Biden did wrong?

Biden was a fucking can. Is this news?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Biden was a fucking can. Is this news?

Yes. For four years, the dem posters on here all swore he was doing a great job and that he wasn't senile.

 

[lowlife]

Yes. For four years, the dem posters on here all swore he was doing a great job and that he wasn't senile.

I can't answer for anyone else and I'm not loyal to any one political party or ideal. If you want to talk about specific issues I'm willing but I'm not interested in blindly following anything or anybody.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

I can't answer for anyone else and I'm not loyal to any one political party or ideal. If you want to talk about specific issues I'm willing but I'm not interested in blindly following anything or anybody.

OK. Here's a specific issue. Would you care to respond to it?

An egregious denial of due process for Jan. 6 protesters

The footage was kept from the American public by a Democratic Congress so a false narrative became cemented in the public consciousness.

nypost.com

 

[lowlife]

OK. Here's a specific issue. Would you care to respond to it?

An egregious denial of due process for Jan. 6 protesters

The footage was kept from the American public by a Democratic Congress so a false narrative became cemented in the public consciousness.

nypost.com

All people should be afforded due process, even those that tried to overthrow the govt. What are the details you would like me to comment on?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

All people should be afforded due process, even those that tried to overthrow the govt.

But they didn't. And you didn't care.

 

[lowlife]

But they didn't. And you didn't care.

They didn't get trials!?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

They didn't get trials!?

They didn't get due process.

See? You actually don't care about this shit. You're just slightly smarter than the other lefties that post here and you know you should at least pretend to believe the shit you post.

Unfortunately it's all bullshit and it falls apart with a little prodding.

 

[lowlife]

They didn't get due process.

See? You actually don't care about this shit. You're just slightly smarter than the other lefties that post here and you know you should at least pretend to believe the shit you post.

Unfortunately it's all bullshit and it falls apart with a little prodding.

Please explain where they didn't receive due process. Your source is an editorial piece BTW, with no direct evidence of denial of due process. Don't tuck tail and run away, explain yourself.

ChatGPT - Jan 6 Protesters Due Process

Shared via ChatGPT

chatgpt.com

 

[lowlife]

@ColemanwastheGOAT get in here and defend your point. Show me where the Jan 6 rioters didn't get due process.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

@ColemanwastheGOAT get in here and defend your point. Show me where the Jan 6 rioters didn't get due process.

I already did

 

[lowlife]

I already did

No, you didn't. You showed me an editorial that has no proof of it's claim, then you insulted me and ran away. Meanwhile people have been put on a plane to El Salvador with no questions asked and you somehow equate the two instances. If you're not able or willing to have a discussion in good faith, then we're just wasting each other's time.

 

[Kingz]

Perhaps no trials, atleast none by judges affiliated with democrats.

That is now TWO democrat judges arrested this week over harboring or protecting illegal migrant criminals

 

[lowlife]

what about what about what about

 

[evansusmc2]

50% of Americans need to get their shit together then.

the whole "50%" of America don't have passport thing is something I will never believe. Even when we add the passports that got used for those 1 random trips to Cancun or Niagra Falls I still won't believe half of the country has a passport.

Too many times I have traveled overseas and been the only American in every area I go to.

 

[evansusmc2]

You proved nothing. You called me a nobody (despite all my personal info being on here) and cried more.

Nope... Proved you wrong about me not being visible and verified. Thus resulted in you not coming back to that thread when you realized you failed. You still just a faceless, unverifiable nobody. And THAT is why you use words like " cry bla bla pussy bla bla".

Except for the ones who are not and the ones who were sent to El Salvador with no due process already.

Figuring out some dude is illegal doesn't take a 2 week court process. Especially when they admit they entered illegally. Or they lie about their name while being searched. Then when their ID is found... they hang their heads in shame.

Good change of pace.

Still proved your comment wrong

Based on what? Policing has always been corrupt and nothing has changed.

If it was "always" as "corrupt" as you say it was than the US would have collapsed around 1996. Guess what... US still standing strong no matter how much you complain about it.

ICE operates under the same immunity and held to equally abysmal standards.

Says the nobody that has never worked for ICE and doesn't know anyone that personally does.

These deportation are undergoing constant challenges by SCOTUS for Constitutionality. These incidents and being widely reported. Youre just choosing to ignore it

again... very few and far between. You are just choosing to ignore it and ACT like it's the norm.

 

[Ara tech]

No matter how you put it, no matter how you scale the law is the law and the law must be followed.

Deportation can be a good or a bad thing, it depends on who is being deported. Criminals and terrorists, or unstable dangerous people deporte them as they bring only trouble.

But they may be talents even in poor communities, if you give them resources you can convert them into assets. What is an illegal immigrant, if not a man who work in the black, not declared as an employee, wage slaving to earn a salary. Is he a problem ? Not really, just another cheap workforce exploited.

Migrants are not the source of all problems, even if gone, social issues will remain.

 

[Hog-train]

Not at all, the formality of the process would still take a couple hours but the root of the case would be that simple. Call the border patrol as a witness, walk through the detainment process and if the detainee was given a chance to produce paperwork. Nothing was produced, government has satisfied their burden. Defendant can call their own witness and produce paperwork. If they can't, government wins --> deport.

It's 2-3 hours per case plus another hour for the clerks to draft and issue the order.

Even with 2-3 hours per case, it would take drastically more agents, judges and facilities to legally deport the 1.4 million immigrants that have EXISTING final deportation orders still in the country as well as those with criminal records.

So we need both increased border security and more judges.

My friend used to be an ICE lawyer for a few years. Here's what he said in a private message to me.

"I have nothing against illegal immigrants who work hard in the United States and pay their taxes. Let them stay. The problem is the difficulty in separating those that are good from those that are bad actors. When I first started at ICE a while ago, I was shocked by how little we knew about people who enter the country illegally. I think I've stated this before, but there's no central database that we can easily access to determine who all these people are. And it's just not Hispanic people who enter our country. It's also people from countries that want to harm the United States. Many folks on the terror watch list have also luckily been caught trying to enter the border illegally while I was with ICE. It was an eye opener for me.

What was also shocking for me was that in removal proceedings, a person could just present a document printed on a piece of paper saying that it was their birth certificate and the courts would simply take their word for it. There was no authentication requirement like a regular court would require. The fact of the matter is, there are no rules of evidence in immigration court and it was enacted that way on purpose. This needs to change and I wish politicians would focus on this more."

 

[panamaican]

Even with 2-3 hours per case, it would take drastically more agents, judges and facilities to legally deport the 1.4 million immigrants that have EXISTING final deportation orders still in the country as well as those with criminal records.

So we need both increased border security and more judges.

My friend used to be an ICE lawyer for a few years. Here's what he said in a private message to me.

"I have nothing against illegal immigrants who work hard in the United States and pay their taxes. Let them stay. The problem is the difficulty in separating those that are good from those that are bad actors. When I first started at ICE a while ago, I was shocked by how little we knew about people who enter the country illegally. I think I've stated this before, but there's no central database that we can easily access to determine who all these people are. And it's just not Hispanic people who enter our country. It's also people from countries that want to harm the United States. Many folks on the terror watch list have also luckily been caught trying to enter the border illegally while I was with ICE. It was an eye opener for me.

What was also shocking for me was that in removal proceedings, a person could just present a document printed on a piece of paper saying that it was their birth certificate and the courts would simply take their word for it. There was no authentication requirement like a regular court would require. The fact of the matter is, there are no rules of evidence in immigration court and it was enacted that way on purpose. This needs to change and I wish politicians would focus on this more."

No disrespect to your friend but that's not exactly how that really works.

The court will allow the individual to present a document as evidence but simply presenting it does not mean that the judge has to believe it. Almost all evidence is admissible, not all evidence is persuasive.

 

[BFoe]

I already did

I probably lost brain cells reading that emotional NY post whine-fest.

The footage of Jacob Chansley that’s being referred to occurred almost a full hour after he entered the building. Prior to that footage, he breached a police line with a mob, entered the Capitol during the initial break in of the building, and faced off with members of the U.S. Capitol Police for more 30 mins in front of the Senate Chamber doors while elected officials, including the Vice President of the United States, were fleeing from the chamber, and then he breached the senate chamber and entered that too.

And he was arrested, charged, and had a trial.

You should really consider stepping out of this tiny right wing propaganda bubble you’re in. All of this info is public, you can literally just look up all these people to see exactly what they did, were charged with, sentenced with, etc. You’d rather be fed out of context videos from a tabloid rag.