International Do you support very fast mass deportations with quick trials?

[F1980]

People are not answering the question. Every post that do not answer the question should be deleted. We have 15 other threads discussing the same shit you guys are arguing about.

Let's get back on track.

Would you support VERY fast trials and VERY fast deportations. People are complaining about due process. Well, in this scenario, THERE IS DUE PROCESS.

The result is 50,000 deportations PER DAY.

Let's say the Trump administration comes up with a good quick process for deportations WITH very quick migration trials, using a large army of immigration judges. They appoint extra 5,000 judges all across the country and they can output 10 trials per day that comes to a total of 50,000 processed illegals and deportations PER DAY.

Would you support this? I know conservatives will, but I'm more interested in seeing what Liberal leaning people think of this scenario. I have a feeling they just don't want illegals deported, period.

 

[evansusmc2]

I disagree with that assessment. I would agree they gave him a mandate to fix illegal immigration. And there are many Democrats on board with that by the way. But I know even a lot of conservatives that are sickened by the idea of rounding up hundreds of people and flying them to super-max prisons in El Salvador (Which is costing us roughly the same keeping them in prison here by the way) without so much as a hearing.

Glad to see cooks1 to arrive and provide some good reasoning on this.

Seeing us round these illegals up like cattle is not a great sight and wish it didn't come to that. But to be fair... they sure as hell weren't gonna leave on their own. They had their chance from November 6 to January 20. Instead they decided to stick around and roll the dice.

There was a not perfect, but pretty decent piece of bi-partisan immigration legislation that Trump had killed so he could get elected. That would have worked better than this mess.

Not sure what this is/was or what you are referring to. "bi-partisan" as in a plan that would have involved the democrats? Well.... we all saw what happened with the democrats had their hands in this. So I am guessing the powers that be didn't want to give them another chance to get involved.

But the fundamental problem in all of this is that our country is split into 2 halves that live in completely separate diametrically opposed realities. In one of those realities, immigrants, legal and otherwise, are overall substantial value adders to our society. Yes some cause trouble, but at a rate not much different than US citizens. And in the other reality, immigration is largely to blame for nearly every economic and societal ill we have. For people to have productive conversations, they need to at the very least have a shared reality.

Fair enough. One thing that the republicans are asking. Just come in legally.
Side A: Yes lets start there
Side B: No lets just allow a free for all and whatever happens happens and if they say differently we'll claim its all because racism

We all know which side B is.

 

[cincymma79]

Who is going to facilitate that? We have no authority over El Salvador

Doesn’t have to be El Salvador just used an example. Put them in Al Catraz and Guantanamo

 

[evansusmc2]

People are not answering the question. Every post that do not answer the question should be deleted. We have 15 other threads discussing the same shit you guys are arguing about.

Let's get back on track.

Would you support VERY fast trials and VERY fast deportations. People are complaining about due process. Well, in this scenario, THERE IS DUE PROCESS.

The result is 50,000 deportations PER DAY.

I would support that. But when an illegal pretty much admits immediately that thay came in illegally what is the point in wasting time?

Are you talking about the few that try to lie their way out of it and give false names?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Hence, I said illegal immigrants.

If there are uncertainties, then the immigrant needs to showcase his or her VISA etc.

how do you expect them to do that without due process? lol

 

[evansusmc2]

No you didn't. As usual you claimed that you did with no back up.

Once you claimed I was just like you (faceless anonymous nothing). I easily proved you wrong. You failed to respond afterwards.

No, I'm upholding my oath and supporting the Constitution so that legal residents are not wrongfully robbed of due process. I know you don't give a fuck about the Constitution tho.

Once they prove they are legal residents they are let go.

No, you did not. Because you ran.

Nope still here

For the same reasons why cops who commit civil rights violations still have jobs. The system is broken and designed to prevent fuck ups from being held accountable for their actions.

If it was as bad as you say it was than the US would have collapse pre-1996 era.

We have several cases wrongful detainments and no due process in just the short time Trump has used the AEA. No one is being held accountable and that's a massive problem. ICE agents have qualified immunity from their frequent fuck ups.

VERY few and far between cases. If it was as "frequent" don't you think CNN and MSNBC would have your back on this one?? Like I said... very few and far between.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Doesn’t have to be El Salvador just used an example. Put them in Al Catraz and Guantanamo

So long as they're are under US Jurisdiction and have the legal means to challenge it, I'm good

 

[cooks1]

Glad to see cooks1 to arrive and provide some good reasoning on this.

Seeing us round these illegals up like cattle is not a great sight and wish it didn't come to that. But to be fair... they sure as hell weren't gonna leave on their own. They had their chance from November 6 to January 20. Instead they decided to stick around and roll the dice.

Not sure what this is/was or what you are referring to. "bi-partisan" as in a plan that would have involved the democrats? Well.... we all saw what happened with the democrats had their hands in this. So I am guessing the powers that be didn't want to give them another chance to get involved.

Fair enough. One thing that the republicans are asking. Just come in legally.
Side A: Yes lets start there
Side B: No lets just allow a free for all and whatever happens happens and if they say differently we'll claim its all because racism

We all know which side B is.

'Just come legally' is but one of MANY things most Republicans want. And I don't disagree with that sentiment. But if you really want that to happen, we must make LEGAL immigration fast easy and cheap. Then the value proposition of coming here illegally largely goes away.

Why do people come here? Contrary to popular Republican belief, it's not to 'suck on the government teat'. It's because if they come here and work their ass off, they have a halfway decent chance of ekeing out a decent life. And if they do that where they reside before coming here, they are more likely to starve, get killed, or die of dysentery. So the value proposition of their coming or not coming will almost always tilt toward coming. Because even a life as an illegal on the margins here is better than the alternative. If you were born there, you would be trying to come here.

 

[evansusmc2]

At these "trials" can we expedite citizenship as well? If so, then I might be OK with it.

background checks take a long time. Figuring out that someone came in illegally is usually pretty quick and easy.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Once you claimed I was just like you (faceless anonymous nothing). I easily proved you wrong. You failed to respond afterwards.

You proved nothing. You called me a nobody (despite all my personal info being on here) and cried more.

Once they prove they are legal residents they are let go.

Except for the ones who are not and the ones who were sent to El Salvador with no due process already.

Nope still here

Good change of pace.

If it was as bad as you say it was than the US would have collapse pre-1996 era.

Based on what? Policing has always been corrupt and nothing has changed. ICE operates under the same immunity and held to equally abysmal standards.

VERY few and far between cases. If it was as "frequent" don't you think CNN and MSNBC would have your back on this one?? Like I said... very few and far between.

These deportation are undergoing constant challenges by SCOTUS for Constitutionality. These incidents and being widely reported. Youre just choosing to ignore it

 

[helltoupee]

THIS is what illegals pray for. Enough time, smoke and mirrors to disappear. Thus causing the problems have currently have.

This is just pure BS. Most illegals are here for work. This is why most "illegals" try to keep their nose clean and commit less crimes than the native population.

Log off and stop huffing your right-wing rage meme algorithms.

 

[Ara tech]

Deportation first cost resources and money, but above all deportation needs to take into consideration selection.

There are talents in all communities, and it is important for the benefit of your country to take them. The rest is mostly an expendable workforce that work mostly illegaly, is that a big social problem ? Not really.

Focusing on criminals and parasites should be the only priority, not the first.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Fair enough. One thing that the republicans are asking. Just come in legally.
Side A: Yes lets start there
Side B: No lets just allow a free for all and whatever happens happens and if they say differently we'll claim its all because racism

We all know which side B is.

Allow a free for all?

Visa requirements to enter the US still exist, border checkpoints still exist, sneaking into the border exists exactly because there is no "free for all."

Absolutely outrageous how 99.9% of conservatives repeat (and believe) blatant untruths. Especially when they're out in the open.

 

[helltoupee]

Glad to see cooks1 to arrive and provide some good reasoning on this.

Seeing us round these illegals up like cattle is not a great sight and wish it didn't come to that. But to be fair... they sure as hell weren't gonna leave on their own. They had their chance from November 6 to January 20. Instead they decided to stick around and roll the dice.

Not sure what this is/was or what you are referring to. "bi-partisan" as in a plan that would have involved the democrats? Well.... we all saw what happened with the democrats had their hands in this. So I am guessing the powers that be didn't want to give them another chance to get involved.

Fair enough. One thing that the republicans are asking. Just come in legally.
Side A: Yes lets start there
Side B: No lets just allow a free for all and whatever happens happens and if they say differently we'll claim its all because racism

We all know which side B is.

This is all about legality, correct? People came here illegally, and we should hold them accountable to breaking "the law", correct?

Would you mind telling me how Donald Trump is POTUS, while having 34 FELONIES on his record?

How about Hegseth, Vance, and everyone else who broke "the law" with providing classified information to family members and a journalist? Are they being punished for breaking "the law".

How about Musk? Is he being deported as well for coming to this country on a travel Visa and working and getting paid here? He broke the law, and that makes him an illegal immigrant. Is he included?

I'm sorry, but you and everyone else in here claiming that "illegals" should be deported because they broke "the law" is ringing very hollow.

 

[helltoupee]

The American people gave Donald Trump a mandate to deport illegals. Democrats and leftists are fighting against what the majority of American citizens want.

Donald Trump has 34 felonies. Excuse me if your calls to deport people for breaking "the law" sound ironically hypocritical.

 

[evansusmc2]

'Just come legally' is but one of MANY things most Republicans want. And I don't disagree with that sentiment.

Not sure what all those many things are. But I'm willing to listen.

But if you really want that to happen, we must make LEGAL immigration fast easy and cheap. Then the value proposition of coming here illegally largely goes away.

The amount of people in the wings doing background checks get paid somehow. I am guessing the money does come from potential immigrants. That's a complicated one.

Why do people come here? Contrary to popular Republican belief, it's not to 'suck on the government teat'. It's because if they come here and work their ass off, they have a halfway decent chance of ekeing out a decent life.

I really do think that is/was true but in 2022 and 2023 a giant influx came in and shit all over that idea.

And if they do that where they reside before coming here, they are more likely to starve, get killed, or die of dysentery. So the value proposition of their coming or not coming will almost always tilt toward coming. Because even a life as an illegal on the margins here is better than the alternative. If you were born there, you would be trying to come here.

 

[cincymma79]

So long as they're are under US Jurisdiction and have the legal means to challenge it, I'm good

There solved

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

how do you expect them to do that without due process? lol

Look less foreign

 

[evansusmc2]

This is all about legality, correct? People came here illegally, and we should hold them accountable to breaking "the law", correct?

Would you mind telling me how Donald Trump is POTUS, while having 34 FELONIES on his record?

Hey.... he stood trial and the court decided to do... what? Can you remind me what the result of that was?

How about Hegseth, Vance, and everyone else who broke "the law" with providing classified information to family members and a journalist? Are they being punished for breaking "the law".

yeah sure. Go to the authorities and give em what for.

How about Musk? Is he being deported as well for coming to this country on a travel Visa and working and getting paid here? He broke the law, and that makes him an illegal immigrant. Is he included?

Elon is a US citizen.

I'm sorry, but you and everyone else in here claiming that "illegals" should be deported because they broke "the law" is ringing very hollow.

Nah... not really.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

There solved

Still need proper investigation to confirm legal status before shipping them to jail but at least they stay in our jurisdiction and can legally challenge it. I can compromise with that