International Do you support toppling the Iranian Regime?

[Alpha_T83]

Actually it isn't 100% true.

HEU even 93.5% U²³⁵ is used in some research reactors and some medical isotopes producers does have old tech, therefore uses HEU targets to produce technecium isotopes ....if they have modern tech, then LEU targets might be used for this.

60% btw is used in some naval reactors....however Iran doesn't have naval reactors.

Interesting. I was not aware that naval nuclear reactors used highly enriched Uranium, but I am seeing that some of them use up to 90% enriched U-235 in their naval reactors. Thanks for that info, I did not know that.

 

[SandisLL]

Kim told that all countries does have rights to build and test nuclear weapons.

There are concerns that Kim might supply Iran centrifuges....

OK, if they will eliminate one enrichment plant or two, where is warranty that they will not install next plant in another location?
Uranium hexafluoride they does have a lot, ajatollas if will get centrifuges, might launch new plant and enrich.

 

[SandisLL]

Only one long term solution is....IF ajatollas regime will not rule Iran anymore.

To kill one or two will not be solution because they will install next supreme ajatoolah and everything will continue.

 

[Cid]

Arguing that the USSR was foreign led regime change is completely at odds with the historical record.

Like I said it wasn't FIRC.

I said US and the West changed the regime of the USSR. Which they did. You seem to think the only way we do this is through bombs. I don't understand this insistence when it's called the cold war.

I have no doubt the capitalist model is better but to assign the economic problems that caused the dissolution of the USSR solely to the communist model being inferior is much more at odds with history than what I'm saying.

The name of this war is the cold war because it was done without direct conflict. It was cold. It is a demonstration of all the various mechanisms you can exert on a country to change their regime without direct conflict.

Cold war. The hint is in the name.

 

[avenue94]

Like I said it wasn't FIRC.

I said US and the West changed the regime of the USSR. Which they did. You seem to think the only way we do this is through bombs. I don't understand this insistence when it's called the cold war.

I have no doubt the capitalist model is better but to assign the economic problems that caused the dissolution of the USSR solely to the communist model being inferior is much more at odds with history than what I'm saying.

The name of this war is the cold war because it was done without direct conflict. It was cold. It is a demonstration of all the various mechanisms you can exert on a country to change their regime without direct conflict.

Cold war. The hint is in the name.

Except the US and West didn't change the regime. Aside from the arms races they didn't create the internal tensions and backwards ass economy that led to the fall of the USSR.

How exactly did the US change the Soviet Union's regime?

 

[filthybliss]

Except the US and West didn't change the regime. Aside from the arms races they didn't create the internal tensions and backwards ass economy that led to the fall of the USSR.

How exactly did the US change the Soviet Union's regime?

Socialists are so out of touch. They just can’t accept the fact that in the 20th century, Socialism proved to be an absolute failure given humans are greedy pieces of shit. They blame the CIA and decry “it wasn’t real socialism” to detract from it.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Sure why not if everybody agrees on it.

Enough of the endless wars though. Just send your best guys in to kill all of leadership . In and out.

 

[avenue94]

Socialists are so out of touch. They just can’t accept the fact that in the 20th century, Socialism proved to be an absolute failure given humans are greedy pieces of shit. They blame the CIA and decry “it wasn’t real socialism” to detract from it.

I don't know his political slant, I'm more baffled how you can argue that foreign countries led to regime change when all those countries were primarily shocked at the unexpected fall of the USSR.

Maybe the secret to regime change is you have to do it unintentionally lol

 

[Cid]

Past your rabid vitriol for millions of people you don't even know, I think you are the one who could use a formal education.

I don't even know where the fuck you're coming at. Just because we are 'blowing through it' doesn't really mean dogshit when the real stuff starts to fly thanks to inflated egos like yours. Seriously, take a step back and evaluate how absolutely unhinged you are coming off.

The reason why these hardline countries tend to scramble toward nukes is because we tend to (the US and Europe, mind you) fuck with them all the time. Do you think the US is some unhinged beast that never goes to a negotiating table? Give me a break. We've dealt with the same shit for decades, mostly from our own meddling. We made giant monetary concessions to them and they continue to act belligerent. I'm not taking sides on the conflict in the ME, but I wish we could have open trade with countries and otherwise fuck off. I'm no nationalist, but people expect us to be the bastion of the world and yet shoulder everything, so you can forgive me if I say that our nefarious activities and dealings with - cough - Europe have done us no good with the hostile ones we are dealing with. The USSR was (somewhat) dissolved through mutual diplomacy, how do you square that with a hostile group that refuses to relinquish power?

Oh yay. The response from the guy who missed my point completely getting emotional. It's no wonder you think I'm the unhinged one.

They don't scramble towards nukes. There's hundreds of countries in the world and 9 nuclear powers with all but 1 being friends/frenemies.

You saying that Iran can't do what Pakistan achieved 40 years ago?


You know why WE have dealt with this shit for decades?

Because we've been doing it for thousands of years. Been a scourge for our whole history and technology makes it easier, not harder. No losing 1/2 your army trying to get to the country you want to wage war with in 2025. No need be near the country let alone the battlefield.

You think something we've done for thousands of years will end in your life time?
And you accuse me of being egotistical?

 

[Cid]

Except the US and West didn't change the regime. Aside from the arms races they didn't create the internal tensions and backwards ass economy that led to the fall of the USSR.

How exactly did the US change the Soviet Union's regime?

You know you're right. Aside from the arms race we did nothing to inflate the internal tensions and backwards as economy that led to the fall of the USSR.

During the cold war the east and the west when presented with two different economic models agreed that we should conduct the competition between these models in a fair and ethical manner to ensure that humanity can come up with the most efficient model going forward for the betterment of our species as a whole.

And we won solely because we had the better economic model.

You've convinced me.

 

[badascan]

Imagine if countries wanted our "regime" changed and attempted to force that to happen violently, while telling the world it's so we don't keep disrupting developing countries who have drastically different perspectives on reality and ethics... Our corrupt "leaders" have fucked up so many things over decades in the name of progress and virtue while manipulating support from a fearful and ignorant populace yet we hypocritically support changing other countries governance, generally... And maybe that's the way it's got to be.

What I know, is most people who share their opinions have almost zero knowledge of what's gone and is going on in the world...

 

[avenue94]

You know you're right. Aside from the arms race we did nothing to inflate the internal tensions and backwards as economy that led to the fall of the USSR.

During the cold war the east and the west when presented with two different economic models agreed that we should conduct the competition between these models in a fair and ethical manner to ensure that humanity can come up with the most efficient model going forward for the betterment of our species as a whole.

And we won solely because we had the better economic model.

You've convinced me.

You wouldn't happen to be a tanky, would you? You still haven't been able to provide a single example of something substantive that the West did to change the Soviet Union's regime.

Since history isn't your strong suit, let's make this a simple metaphor. If two race cards are racing but one is much more well built and well funded and the other one blows up because it can't keep up with the rigors of racing, the former didn't' cause the latter to blow up.

 

[filthybliss]

You know you're right. Aside from the arms race we did nothing to inflate the internal tensions and backwards as economy that led to the fall of the USSR.

During the cold war the east and the west when presented with two different economic models agreed that we should conduct the competition between these models in a fair and ethical manner to ensure that humanity can come up with the most efficient model going forward for the betterment of our species as a whole.

And we won solely because we had the better economic model.

You've convinced me.

Socialism was an abject failure, m8. Capitalism is not without its faults, it needs its regulations and healthcare n what not should be subsidized for sure.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Doesn't seem very "America first" to me...

 

[filthybliss]

You wouldn't happen to be a tanky, would you? You still haven't been able to provide a single example of something substantive that the West did to change the Soviet Union's regime.

Since history isn't your strong suit, let's make this a simple metaphor. If two race cards are racing but one is much more well built and well funded and the other one blows up because it can't keep up with the rigors of racing, the former didn't' cause the latter to blow up.

He supports Ukraine….A very low chance that he is a tankie….

 

[Cid]

You wouldn't happen to be a tanky, would you? You still haven't been able to provide a single example of something substantive that the West did to change the Soviet Union's regime.

Since history isn't your strong suit, let's make this a simple metaphor. If two race cards are racing but one is much more well built and well funded and the other one blows up because it can't keep up with the rigors of racing, the former didn't' cause the latter to blow up.

You're asking me for a single example of the cold war being a thing?

Cold War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Asking me for a single example from a 4 decade long cold war is hasn't gotten a response because it's a dumb question. There's 4 decades of shenanigans from both sides.

It wasn't just our car being better built and more well funded.

We deliberately sabotaged their cars funding, we sabotaged their access to technology to improve the car. There was a multi-decade campaign against the USSR and the only thing that was off limits was murdering the other pit crew. That's not a race between cars bro. The guys who made the tires for their car in your analogy? They got bombed.


Calling me a Tankie is hilarious. Are you able to read at all?

I don't want to have a fair economic fight against autocratic dictatorships. If the tables were flipped you think they would extend that courtesy?

Not so big on murdering the guys that make their tires.

 

[avenue94]

You're asking me for a single example of the cold war being a thing?

Cold War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Asking me for a single example from a 4 decade long cold war is hasn't gotten a response because it's a dumb question. There's 4 decades of shenanigans from both sides.

It wasn't just our car being better built and more well funded.

We deliberately sabotaged their cars funding, we sabotaged their access to technology to improve the car. There was a multi-decade campaign against the USSR and the only thing that was off limits was murdering the other pit crew. That's not a race between cars bro. The guys who made the tires for their car in your analogy? They got bombed.


Calling me a Tankie is hilarious. Are you able to read at all?

I don't want to have a fair economic fight against autocratic dictatorships. If the tables were flipped you think they would extend that courtesy?

Not so big on murdering the guys that make their tires.

So in your mind competition with the West was more instrumental in the USSR's collaspe than its awful economic and political construction? Man those are some rose tinted glasses.

There's a reason China survived and the USSR didn't, and it's not down to US preferences.

 

[tastaylvr]

We have decades of evidence proving otherwise

 

[Cid]

Socialism was an abject failure, m8. Capitalism is not without its faults, it needs its regulations and healthcare n what not should be subsidized for sure.

At what point have I said it wasn't? Specifically said capitalism is the better model to avoid this confusion. He still went there.

Doesn't mean the cold war wasn't a thing and we didn't all gang up on the USSR.

There's a running theme where I say something happened and people draw wild conclusions on my opinions from something that happened. We gang fucked them. It was not competing ideas, that's not how the battle for geopolitical dominance works. That's some naive shit right there.

He supports Ukraine….A very low chance that he is a tankie….

Yeah, furthest thing from it. Within reason I'm pro fuckery, especially economical.

Lack of economic coercion against Autocratic dictatorships enables what we're seeing in Ukraine.

Not enforcing invisible line theory against what we're seeing in Ukraine results in small countries acquiring nuclear weapons. Which we'll see in Ukraine. Possibly others.

Despite what @Mock Artwork artwork says it's not just people afraid of us that may be forced to seek nuclear weapons in the future.

The degradation of alliances between secular democracies poses just as much risk of nuclear proliferation amongst small democracies bordering autocratic dictatorships.

 

[Cid]

So in your mind competition with the West was more instrumental in the USSR's collaspe than its awful economic and political construction? Man those are some rose tinted glasses.

There's a reason China survived and the USSR didn't, and it's not down to US preferences.

When did I say it was?

China was poorer than the USSR was at its worst for 2 whole decades. USSR got a glimpse of China poor and crumbled.