International Do you support toppling the Iranian Regime?

[IanEdwards]

Pakistan operates under a military deep state but stuff like apostasy gets you the death sentence.

Still not a theocracy dude, that is part of the penal code, but the very fact there is a penal code in Pakistan with concepts deriving from non-Quranic sources = not a theocracy. In a theocracy there is only Islamic law and no civil law deriving from anything else. Pakistani law is based on a variety of sources, including English common law believe it or not, and customary/common law, as well as sharia law. In a theocracy it would only be the latter. Literally, google 'is Pakistan a theocracy?' if you don't believe me. Far too many things in Pakistan contradict the idea. I'll give you another final example: differnt states (Federal system) have different legal standards on some things, EG legal age for marrying women is different in Sindh, to Punjab, to NWFP. Again, and very obviously, if Pakistan were a theocracy only one interpretation would be possible and it would apply to all the federalised states, but customary law for each individual state prevails instead. Hence, not a theocracy.

 

[avenue94]

And removing key leadership.

So the emperor of Japan, who had an active role in war crimes and key war decisions, was not key leadership?

I see your ignorance spans not only time but space too. Impressive.

Nation Building from Iran has to come within. Nowadays, Polticians don’t have the interest or the investment to rebuild and institute stable +secular democracies in every corner of the world.

Actually, you just have to tell a country "Concession accepted" and then they magically become a democracy.

Did it to the USSR. Perfectly capable of doing it to Russia right now.

So you're arguing regime change in the USSR was successful even though we're currently in a conflict with the its successor.

The Soviet Union was also not foreign led regime change, it voted itself out of existence.

 

[filthybliss]

IAEA chief confirms agency has 'no proof' Iran building nuclear bomb​

Israel has been pushing the US to join its war against Iran and take part in strikes on the country’s nuclear facilities

News Desk
JUN 18, 2025

(Photo credit: Reuters)
The Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Rafael Grossi, said on 17 June that there is “no proof” that Iran has been working toward the development of a nuclear weapon.

IAEA chief confirms agency has 'no proof' Iran building nuclear bomb

Israel has been pushing the US to join its war against Iran and take part in strikes on the country’s nuclear facilities

thecradle.co

 

[Belaya Smert]

Surely over my recorded lifetime we can freshen up this bullshit narrative. My mom has been worried about this since the early eighties btw.

 

[Pittie Petey]

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Fake news! @kflo assured me they were

 

[Alpha_T83]

"No proof" doesn't mean they aren't trying.

You don't enrich U-235 to 60%+ for any reason other than nuclear weapons.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Surely over my recorded lifetime we can freshen up this bullshit narrative. My mom has been worried about this since the early eighties btw.

This kind of bullshit logic is like when people complain about "global conspiracies" and point to the "ozone layer panic" and claim that it was all fake news and not a problem.

The Ozone Layer was prevented from being completely destroyed because scientists worked together to provide irrefutable proof that CFCs were destroying it, and countries listened to them, worked together, and banned CFCs.

I say this because your argument that "this has been a scare since the 80s and Iran still doesn't have nukes!" is an extremely dumb argument. Maybe they don't have nukes because of international pressure and cooperation, and Israel almost certainly carrying out intelligence operations to slow them down?

If no one had lifted a finger to stop Iran from getting nukes, I guarantee you they'd have one by now.

 

[syct23]

This kind of bullshit logic is like when people complain about "global conspiracies" and point to the "ozone layer panic" and claim that it was all fake news and not a problem.

The Ozone Layer was prevented from being completely destroyed because scientists worked together to provide irrefutable proof that CFCs were destroying it, and countries listened to them, worked together, and banned CFCs.

I say this because your argument that "this has been a scare since the 80s and Iran still doesn't have nukes!" is an extremely dumb argument. Maybe they don't have nukes because of international pressure and cooperation, and Israel almost certainly carrying out intelligence operations to slow them down?

If no one had lifted a finger to stop Iran from getting nukes, I guarantee you they'd have one by now.

I don’t think you’re taking this seriously at all..

 

[Aegon Spengler]

“We cannot wait for proof. The final evidence will be in the form of a mushroom cloud.”

George Bush

 

[Alpha_T83]

I don’t think you’re taking this seriously at all..

Eh? I'm dead serious about it. I think Iran is crazy enough to use a nuclear weapon on Israel, and I genuinely believe Israel is making the right move here. Iran needs to be firmly banned by the international community from having nuclear power at all.

I despise Trump, but he was right about one thing: Obama's Iran deal was idiotic. It legitimized their nuclear enrichment program because Obama was too much of a coward to bomb them himself.

 

[Natural Order]

 

[Spam On Rye]

Remember when we took on Saddam for Israel? Lots of parallels here.

 

[deviake]

Meow lets inspect Israel

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

If no one had lifted a finger to stop Iran from getting nukes, I guarantee you they'd have one by now.

Just 2 more weeks!™

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Just 2 more weeks!™

Bibi is a clown with his looney tunes ass bomb chart.

 

[Cid]

The amount of bravado here is crazy. You know, this worked so well for Iraq, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Libya, or IRAN. Where we are at today is directly correlated with what you just described. It creates power vacuums that are usually filled by extremists because you just centralized yourself as the enemy instead of the countries own shitty regime.

That happened from within the USSR though.

So you're arguing regime change in the USSR was successful even though we're currently in a conflict with the its successor.

The Soviet Union was also not foreign led regime change, it voted itself out of existence.

Uhhhh...

The post was about the efficacy of the nuclear deterrent.

Showing America blowing through it is the example. Not the argument. Some of you are really missing the point.


You all seem to think bombing is the only thing America learnt during the cold war. Give yourself some credit, sometimes you manage to elect leaders smarter than your populous (you) who understand the basics of geopolitics.

USSR was foreign led regime change through various mechanisms of soft and hard power by multiple Western Nations. The cold war wasn't fought only by two countries guys but America did lead the charge.

It WAS NOT Foreign Imposed Regime Change (FIRC)

It was the stuff that works. The stuff that we (the west) have leaned into and America is currently moving away from. Namely economic coercion.



You know what I was talking about nuclear deterrent not American geopolitics...

Americans are stupid with a failing education system. Just do what highly developed countries do.

We're moving away from Israel... and the countries that remain only do so because America fucking loves them and we kiss your ring (my country)

We're filling the slack where America is failing in Ukraine.

That's what countries with flourishing education systems are doing. Americans need to realize that even though they're in charge you're hardly the brains of the operation at this point. You're the giant retard with with club. Listen to the smart people and swing when we tell you.

 

[filthybliss]

Uhhhh...

The post was about the efficacy of the nuclear deterrent.

Showing America blowing through it is the example. Not the argument. Some of you are really missing the point.


You all seem to think bombing is the only thing America learnt during the cold war. Give yourself some credit, sometimes you manage to elect leaders smarter than your populous (you) who understand the basics of geopolitics.

USSR was foreign led regime change through various mechanisms of soft and hard power by multiple Western Nations. The cold war wasn't fought only by two countries guys but America did lead the charge.

It WAS NOT Foreign Imposed Regime Change (FIRC)

It was the stuff that works. The stuff that we (the west) have leaned into and America is currently moving away from. Namely economic coercion.



You know what I was talking about nuclear deterrent not American geopolitics...

Americans are stupid with a failing education system. Just do what highly developed countries do.

We're moving away from Israel... and the countries that remain only do so because America fucking loves them and we kiss your ring (my country)

We're filling the slack where America is failing in Ukraine.

That's what countries with flourishing education systems are doing. Americans need to realize that even though they're in charge you're hardly the brains of the operation at this point. You're the giant retard with with club. Listen to the smart people and swing when we tell you.

Just @Rational Poster , most Americans are sick of Israel apart from evangelicals and neocons….

That being said, the American public education system from K-12 does suck but from undergrad forwards, we make up for it.

 

[lsa]

who needs proof?
Thats so 1980ties.