International Do you support toppling the Iranian Regime?

[SurferH2O]

Toppling their government and military? YES

Hitting them from the air? YES

Troops on the ground? NOPE

 

[Lord_Impaler]

Fuck no. Look what deposing Gaddafi in Libya did, it destabilized enormous parts of the world, led to the so called “migrant crisis”, etc.

 

[kflo]

It's almost like Trump tearing up the non-proliferation agreement was a bad idea
It's almost like this was extremely predictable.

How does the USA have the balls to say.... Iran, you cant have nukes but WE can.... with the USA having the most unstable leader on the planet with his hands on the football? With a convicted felon as leader? The USA has ZERO moral authority atm.

How soon does Trump announce his plans to turn Iran into a Trump Resort?


Honestly, I think it's time that the US stopped propping Bibi up, it's very clear that he is not the "good guy". No more military aid.... zero.
Take what you were giving to Israel and give it to Ukraine, who is in an existential battle with an actual villain.

so you want to disengage with israel and allow iran to build their nuclear capabilities? that's your gameplan?

 

[AmonTobin]

An theocratical regime sucks but a country leader taking it upon themselves to assassinate another country's' leader also sucks. Innocent civilians dying in the crossfire sucks even more.

 

[Confucamus]

No. That could lead to civil war or a new ISIS taking over, etc. The death toll would be unbelievable and would almost certainly would force us to get involved with boots on the ground. Don't get me wrong, I think the Iranian regime is evil and they should never have nuclear weapons. Iran is an angry dog that you can't put down. Somehow they need to be tamed, but I'm not sure how to do that outside of military threats.

 

[filthybliss]

I believe that Israel bombing Iran constitutes a war crime, and Netanyahu should be taken out of power and into a jail cell.... I hear El Salvador's Cecot is a choice destination atm.

It is interesting that you would bring up the destruction of Theocracy worldwide while there are some on the right in America that would welcome instituting a Christian Theocracy here.
Christian Nationalist Flag Day I happen to agree as a general principle that they are no gusta.

Can't I oppose theocratic totalitarianism everywhere? I don't get your point. I didn't vote for Trump, I am not a republican or close to it either. I am not an isolationist either. I think Iran and Israel should deplete their nuclear system.

How does the USA have the balls to say.... Iran, you cant have nukes but WE can.... with the USA having the most unstable leader on the planet with his hands on the football? With a convicted felon as leader? The USA has ZERO moral authority atm.

How soon does Trump announce his plans to turn Iran into a Trump Resort?

I agree with all of this....

Honestly, I think it's time that the US stopped propping Bibi up, it's very clear that he is not the "good guy". No more military aid.... zero.
Take what you were giving to Israel and give it to Ukraine, who is in an existential battle with an actual villain.

I agree. He also lobbied to get out of the Iran Nuclear deal to keep them contained.....I think he should fight this battle on his own. Maybe the Saudis can pitch in and help Israel here. Iran is a bigger threat to the Saudis than America.

Israel has also killed more Americans than Iran has to my knowledge.

 

[NickNick]

I think we should stop wasting money and lives trying to be the world's police. We have more than enough domestic problems that could use the money/attention than whatever is going on in the middle east.

 

[Hdfi]

No, and you don't belong anywhere near the Middle East.

 

[SKYNET]

IF we could ever get back to late 90's era when our budget was balanced, our middle class was thriving, and the worst political scandal possible was our POTUS getting blown by an intern,

then still NO

after the bullshit the neocons put us through in 2003, they did this same crap with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Zero regime toppling off my tax dollars, I'll pass. thanks, and gfys

 

[filthybliss]

No. That could lead to civil war or a new ISIS taking over, etc. The death toll would be unbelievable and would almost certainly would force us to get involved with boots on the ground. Don't get me wrong, I think the Iranian regime is evil and they should never have nuclear weapons. Iran is an angry dog that you can't put down. Somehow they need to be tamed, but I'm not sure how to do that outside of military threats.

I think its too late. Nuclear escalation is inevitable. Ukraine, Gaddafi and Saddam abandoned their WMDs. They paid the prices for it. Totalitarian Regimes like North Korea, Russia and China remain are still standing and got the rest of us walking on egg-shells. It sets a horrible precedent.

The Regime in Iran is awful but they are no worse than the Saudis or the Qataris, who we are in bed with. They fight ISIS too and even hold elections (even if they are kinda bogus). They haven't directly started expansionist wars either nor did they gas their own people like the Baathist Regime in Iraq.

They mostly inconvience Israel, they are not neccessarily a threat to the U.S. or their other neighbors. I think it would be smart for the U.S. to stay out of it. Let Israel and Iran fight amongst eachother like Egypt and Israel did during the Yom Kippur War. Intervening would just make us an enemy to the Iranian People and it would be more difficult to organize a Camp David to settle things down and normalize relations with both parties.

 

[Lycandroid]

What is the likelyhood/what would it take to return Iran to the way it was before the revolution ?

 

[filthybliss]

No, and you don't belong anywhere near the Middle East.

Yes but oil

 

[filthybliss]

What is the likelyhood/what would it take to return Iran to the way it was before the revolution ?

Very low. The pictures that you see are typically the affluent class. There has to be a silent majority in the country that is turbo-religious. If the Iraq-Iran War didn't revert them back to a secular society. I don't think this war will either.

 

[pv3Hpv3p]

With the US's rich and decorated history of forced regime change, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[filthybliss]

so you want to disengage with israel and allow iran to build their nuclear capabilities? that's your gameplan?

Why is Israel allowed to have nukes and ban UN inspectors from their sites but Iran is not? How many countries has Iran illegally invaded/defacto annexed in the past 50 yrs?

I can't remember any. Now, Israel has occupied/defacto annexed the West Bank, Gaza, South Lebanon and the Golan Heights. They built settlements in those areas too.

 

[shunyata]

No. Americans supporting regime change is how Iran got here in the first place.

If we've learned anything from the last century it should be that toppling governments leads to worse problems like civil wars and the rise of militants and warlords.

 

[filthybliss]

Toppling their government and military? YES

Hitting them from the air? YES

Troops on the ground? NOPE

You will need to put troops on the ground to adequetely implement a regime change......

 

[filthybliss]

No. Americans supporting regime change is how Iran got here in the first place.

If we've learned anything from the last century it should be that toppling governments leads to worse problems like civil wars and the rise of militants and warlords.

Mostly agree with you but there were cases like Sierra Leone, Grenada, and Panama where toppling the regime was the right call and made things better.

 

[ermac88]

In theory, I do support overthrowing every theocracy in the world (Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Pakistan). But at the same time, the cost of doing so is just such a clusterfuck and it takes so much meticulous planning from every border of the aisle for it to work....I believe that doing this would be even more disasterous than Iraq or Afghanistan. Iraq and Afghanistan have more recent histories of secularism. Iran has been Islamic Republic for 45 yrs, Hussein's invasion which killed 500k Iranian was not enough for a counter revolution to spunk it back into a secular society. I don't think Israel shelling it to bits will either.Additionally, This would also require American Troops to get on the ground which would be even more of a disaster given how many mountains and bases are honeycombed inside them in Iran.

Nonetheless, if the centeralized power in Iran goes down. We are looking at the following outcomes:

1. The Inevitable Immolation of Iran as a state, there would be space for fracturing it into of Balochistan/Kurdistan.
2. A more fertile ground for ISIS and the Taliban to recruit from and use as a base to destabilize neighboring states.
   a. This would place the region’s small minorities—such as polytheists and Christians—on the brink of extinction, similar to what occurred in Afghanistan during the Taliban resurgence.
3. Turkey intervening to suppress Kurdish sovereignty.
4. Turkey arming Azeri gangs to expand its sphere of influence.
5. Pakistan intervening to suppress Balochi separatism.
6. A potential future refugee crisis affecting Western countries.
7. Backlash from Iran’s allies—Russia, China, and India. Unlike the Baathist regime in Iraq or Gaddafi’s Libya, the Iranian regime is not as isolated; the world is less likely to tolerate its collapse.

Shit we got way bigger problems and our own aspiring supreme leader/ regime in the US

 

[kflo]

Why is Israel allowed to have nukes and ban UN inspectors from their sites but Iran is not? How many countries has Iran illegally invaded/defacto annexed in the past 50 yrs?

I can't remember any. Now, Israel has occupied/defacto annexed the West Bank, Gaza, South Lebanon and the Golan Heights. They built settlements in those areas too.

so you're just going to say US policy towards iran has to be tied to policy towards israel? you're ok with iran having nukes?