Do you rank Leon over Woodley as the 3rd best WW of all time. Behind 1)Usman 2) GSP

[Bouboumaster]

There just is no fighter I rank greatest anything that had despicably boring fights the better part of his career. Especially when you leave right as USADA and better competition came. I’m a different breed and would have respected it more if he KEPT roiding and took a suspension or two and fought to the day

He quit the first Time because he was tired of kicking the ass of monsters science can't explain and while away, he fought for better testing (which happened, and this is why he came one last time) and for fighters rights (which d'ailes, sadly)

Boring fights?
Shields and Diaz fights are boring, but Condit, Hendricks and Bisping figts are fun, Fitch fight is incredible too

Fuck cheaters

 

[MigitAs]

GSP doesn't even believe your own ranking : "In terms of accomplishments, it is different. I have done stuff that I believe he didn't do yet... But as painful as it could be for any athlete to admit it, the athletes of today are normally better than the athletes of yesterday. And as good as the athletes of today are, the athletes of tomorrow will be better. That's how it is. I don't think the guys are better, I think the technology is better..."

'The athletes of today are normally better than the athletes of yesterday' - Georges St-Pierre on Kamaru Usman's welterweight GOAT claim

MMA great Georges St-Pierre credits Kamaru Usman for raising the bar in the UFC's welterweight division.

www.sportskeeda.com

Not to mention he's still doing damage control : he would be undersized for current WWs, no matter the so-called technology + he fought much weaker competition because MMA wasn't as widespread and developped as today.

GSP is the one true goat over Fedor and Jones

 

[Leon Edwards]

GSP is the one true goat over Fedor and Jones

Fedor... Is not even top 3 HW. Cain, DC, Nganu, Stipe would all beat him and have better resumes.

 

[Pilo]

Matt Hughes.

Dude, TS' level of disrespect towards Matt Hughes just exposes how much of a casual he is. Yikes.

 

[MigitAs]

Fedor... Is not even top 3 HW. Cain, DC, Nganu, Stipe would all beat him and have better resumes.

I just say Fedor because he is always mentioned, he and GSP were the two finalists in the goat poll thread that was most recent

 

[TR1]

Fedor... Is not even top 3 HW. Cain, DC, Nganu, Stipe would all beat him and have better resumes.

LMAO!

None of those guys have resumes even close to Fedor's.

You really don't know shit about MMA.

 

[cburm]

Who do you rank as the 3rd best between Leon and Woodley.

Who do you rank as the 3rd best between Leon and Woodley.

How are you ranking these guys just based off you're opinion ???

Noone has more consecutive title defences at ww than gsp..

So he's number 1.
Then you need to pull up there records to see if usmen even beats matt Hughes.. for n2

Leon I don't think he even makes it in he didn't pass twoodly did he what leons title defences 3?? Or 2 ..

 

[Mind Mine]

He quit the first Time because he was tired of kicking the ass of monsters science can't explain and while away, he fought for better testing (which happened, and this is why he came one last time) and for fighters rights (which d'ailes, sadly)

Boring fights?
Shields and Diaz fights are boring, but Condit, Hendricks and Bisping figts are fun, Fitch fight is incredible too

Fuck cheaters

The first paragraph is desperation. I think a man would have to be insane to believe the vast majority to include GSP are all natty. MAYBE Mighty and probably Benson are about the only somewhat dominant champs I kinda believe may be clean. That’s about it. Hendricks beat his ass and Ping was a cyclops. The Condit was the only oone for me

 

[Superzorro]

He quit the first Time because he was tired of kicking the ass of monsters science can't explain and while away, he fought for better testing (which happened, and this is why he came one last time) and for fighters rights (which d'ailes, sadly)

Boring fights?
Shields and Diaz fights are boring, but Condit, Hendricks and Bisping figts are fun, Fitch fight is incredible too

Fuck cheaters

Accusing people of taking steroids that never tested positive is a slippery slope. People can make the same argument against GSP, to explain why he had such crazy musculature and an insane physique, while being able to maintain five round cardio.

 

[HavokHarmon]

The first paragraph is desperation. I think a man would have to be insane to believe the vast majority to include GSP are all natty. MAYBE Mighty and probably Benson are about the only somewhat dominant champs I kinda believe may be clean. That’s about it. Hendricks beat his ass and Ping was a cyclops. The Condit was the only oone for me

If that’s your position then criticizing GSP for leaving before USADA came kind of falls flat doesn’t it? If you believe basically everyone juiced then implying GSP left because stricter testing was on the horizon (Saying this just for the sake of the argument, I don’t agree with that assertion but it seems to be yours) then at worst you’re saying GSP is just like everyone else in that regard.

 

[cmw43]

1. GSP
2.Usman
3.Hughes
4.Woodley
5.Lawler

That's a good list.

I'd be tempted to put Jake Shields in at number 5. I know he never held the belt but he had the misfortune of having GSP as the champ at the time

He had something like a 16 fight win streak going into the GSP fight and he's got wins over Woodley, Lawler, Condit, Maia, Kampmann, Dan Henderson, Paul Daley, Okami, Sakurai (when he was a beast), Mayhem.

 

[pankrat]

That's a good list.

I'd be tempted to put Jake Shields in at number 5. I know he never held the belt but he had the misfortune of having GSP as the champ at the time

He had something like a 16 fight win streak going into the GSP fight and he's got wins over Woodley, Lawler, Condit, Maia, Kampmann, Dan Henderson, Paul Daley, Okami, Sakurai (when he was a beast), Mayhem.

More than half of those wins you listed are highly controversial and/or above 170lbs, not to mention he never held the belt.
Great fighter no doubt but there is no case for him top5 all-time at WW

 

[Mind Mine]

If that’s your position then criticizing GSP for leaving before USADA came kind of falls flat doesn’t it? If you believe basically everyone juiced then implying GSP left because stricter testing was on the horizon (Saying this just for the sake of the argument, I don’t agree with that assertion but it seems to be yours) then at worst you’re saying GSP is just like everyone else in that regard.

My position is he left as MUCH stronger competition came which absolutely no greatest ANYTHING should ever be made an argument for ANYONE. If Jones leaves before Aspinall he can still have greatest resume that’s done but he ruled a division and left it LONG before anyone came that could definitively beat him to date. The current WW roster would DESTROY the GSP era WW division. By destroy I mean absolutely eclipse it to the point not a single prime WW would be more than fringe top 10 from the GSP era. GSP like every other performance enhancing drug user had gut bloat, hard nips, the most amazing physique even amongst the amazing physiques of steroid users. Almost like he was using himself. GSP who cheated btw and in a sport as dangerous as mma if you Sir believe a man would cheat to get an edge by greasing his body but not taking a drug that would give you super human strength I don’t think you are intelligently analyzing this among many things. That just isn’t how a cheating mind works which he is. His career as USADA came around got WEAKER. Magically SLOWER. We got to see the future for GSP towards the end vs Hendricks and he wisely ran. I think he had an amazing run. It was simply highlighted by jab and TD. It wouldn’t remain ANYWHERE near number 1 in any capacity in modern mma. I notice one thing with non steroid using fighters in particular, they did it the hard way so typically a slower skyrocket but once they are locked in VERY LONG CAREERS. Dudes like Mighty and Benson or even Condit come to mind. No freak physique, long career, same exact build TO THIS DAY and mysteriously lost skill gradually. GSPdoes not check a singlele box. You Sir will now claim thesecwords are unintelligible or make no sense because you are a fan with a crush not a man thinking rationally

 

[Westbrick]

there's Lawler, Fitch and probably more guys before Leon.

And obviously Hughes

 

[Mind Mine]

there's Lawler, Fitch and probably more guys before Leon.

And obviously Hughes

Lawler had a very strong tail end of his legendary career but lying as if we don’t have to evaluate the valleys along with the peaks generates a false view of the landscape. Just like how you tried to include Fitch’s non UFC resume in with his UFC resume which btw isn’t on Leon’s level. You have things eschewed it seems

 

[Mind Mine]

Accusing people of taking steroids that never tested positive is a slippery slope. People can make the same argument against GSP, to explain why he had such crazy musculature and an insane physique, while being able to maintain five round cardio.

Please feel free to continue reading the thread I think we are past the date of not being aboe to discuss perception openly and if you think differently that’s just being anti open discussion

 

[Mind Mine]

there's Lawler, Fitch and probably more guys before Leon.

And obviously Hughes

Dude, TS' level of disrespect towards Matt Hughes just exposes how much of a casual he is. Yikes.

I say this not to insult but to raise awareness as there clearly is a perception of skill in modern MMA issue with fans of the UFC and I think Hughes is a PIVOTAL fighter. He has a skillset that simply would not be in modern MMA at any top 10 capacity.. There are several other fighters with amazing resumes for their eras but in reality the sport has evolved to the point legacy is and how many wins you have need to be metered also against could it survive modern times. These guys nowadays have to face an OVERALL higher caliber of killers so a run like GSP wont happen again because the roster skillset is so much more dangerous. So placing a man with atrocious striking and strong wrestling in legitimate discussion of BEST FIGHTER and we are discussing MODERN mma you sound old and out of touch. It wouldn’t fly nowadays. Some resumes get hung in the rafters for a reason. They are old and musty. Matt Hughes simply was not a better martial artist or fighter. He had a better time and opportunity and would in every capacity likely not be top 10 in his prime today

 

[HavokHarmon]

My position is he left as MUCH stronger competition came which absolutely no greatest ANYTHING should ever be made an argument for ANYONE. If Jones leaves before Aspinall he can still have greatest resume that’s done but he ruled a division and left it LONG before anyone came that could definitively beat him to date. The current WW roster would DESTROY the GSP era WW division. By destroy I mean absolutely eclipse it to the point not a single prime WW would be more than fringe top 10 from the GSP era. GSP like every other performance enhancing drug user had gut bloat, hard nips, the most amazing physique even amongst the amazing physiques of steroid users. Almost like he was using himself. GSP who cheated btw and in a sport as dangerous as mma if you Sir believe a man would cheat to get an edge by greasing his body but not taking a drug that would give you super human strength I don’t think you are intelligently analyzing this among many things. That just isn’t how a cheating mind works which he is. His career as USADA came around got WEAKER. Magically SLOWER. We got to see the future for GSP towards the end vs Hendricks and he wisely ran. I think he had an amazing run. It was simply highlighted by jab and TD. It wouldn’t remain ANYWHERE near number 1 in any capacity in modern mma. I notice one thing with non steroid using fighters in particular, they did it the hard way so typically a slower skyrocket but once they are locked in VERY LONG CAREERS. Dudes like Mighty and Benson or even Condit come to mind. No freak physique, long career, same exact build TO THIS DAY and mysteriously lost skill gradually. GSPdoes not check a singlele box. You Sir will now claim thesecwords are unintelligible or make no sense because you are a fan with a crush not a man thinking rationally

There’s always going to be a next guy. And a next guy. And a next guy. No one can fight forever, and while I agree it is disappointing we never got to see some of these matchups, athletes get to dictate the terms of their own retirement.

The USADA stuff is just nonsense but I doubt I’ll convince you of that. He only had one fight under USADA which was years after his retirement, so if you mean that one fight where he moved up a weight class and hadn’t fought in 3 years he looked weaker and slower (and still won)…ok? Or maybe you mean that as USADA approached he got weaker and slower? But that doesn’t mean anything at all lol. It isn’t like they rolled out testing slowly, he just wasn’t around for it period so really what you’re saying is that he aged lmao.

Here’s how it works kid. If you want to use the steroid argument, you can use it with Jones and Silva. They actually tested positive. I don’t personally exclude people from conversations of greatness based on that, but if you want to, that’s totally fine. If you think everyone was on juice so it doesn’t matter who tested, that’s fine too. But if that’s the case then you can’t really exclude anyone for it. And you certainly can’t exclude people who never popped just on that basis alone.

 

[Pilo]

I say this not to insult but to raise awareness as there clearly is a perception of skill in modern MMA issue with fans of the UFC and I think Hughes is a PIVOTAL fighter. He has a skillset that simply would not be in modern MMA at any top 10 capacity.. There are several other fighters with amazing resumes for their eras but in reality the sport has evolved to the point legacy is and how many wins you have need to be metered also against could it survive modern times. These guys nowadays have to face an OVERALL higher caliber of killers so a run like GSP wont happen again because the roster skillset is so much more dangerous. So placing a man with atrocious striking and strong wrestling in legitimate discussion of BEST FIGHTER and we are discussing MODERN mma you sound old and out of touch. It wouldn’t fly nowadays. Some resumes get hung in the rafters for a reason. They are old and musty. Matt Hughes simply was not a better martial artist or fighter. He had a better time and opportunity and would in every capacity likely not be top 10 in his prime today

This entire argument would make sense if Khabib hadn’t been so dominant having virtually the same strengths and broad strokes in his game as Hughes…in modern era. These two have incredibly similar games.

Also, and this is something that sooo many people forget, GSP’s entire style was built around figuring out a way to beat Matt Hughes. Circle back to the early 2000s, and the best fighters at WW, whether they were strikers, sub artists, or even wrestlers, couldn’t avoid Hughes’ takedowns. As influential as GSP has been in the sport of MMA and in putting well-roundedness and versatility at the forefront of MMA training, let’s never forget that this all stems from Matt Hughes, and the fact that he was such a dominant wrestler, and an iconic champion at WW. In comparison, I’m sorry but guys like Leon and Woodley and the mark that they respectively left in the sport is nowhere near the mark that Hughes left, whether that be through his own accomplishments as a competitor, or through the influence that he’s had on an entire generation of welterweights.

 

[BrockLesnarsTurtleBack]

I say this not to insult but to raise awareness as there clearly is a perception of skill in modern MMA issue with fans of the UFC and I think Hughes is a PIVOTAL fighter. He has a skillset that simply would not be in modern MMA at any top 10 capacity.. There are several other fighters with amazing resumes for their eras but in reality the sport has evolved to the point legacy is and how many wins you have need to be metered also against could it survive modern times. These guys nowadays have to face an OVERALL higher caliber of killers so a run like GSP wont happen again because the roster skillset is so much more dangerous. So placing a man with atrocious striking and strong wrestling in legitimate discussion of BEST FIGHTER and we are discussing MODERN mma you sound old and out of touch. It wouldn’t fly nowadays. Some resumes get hung in the rafters for a reason. They are old and musty. Matt Hughes simply was not a better martial artist or fighter. He had a better time and opportunity and would in every capacity likely not be top 10 in his prime today

You do realize that the reason the fighters are better today is because they have built on the foundation created by the previous generation of MMA fighters?