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Where does Sean Sherk rank all time LW/WW? He was the blueprint for the wrestle boxer cardio archetype

He took a round off GSP.
I'd say he'd do fine. Never win good but he'd be a solid fighter. Skill wise is wrestling is still better than almost every guy he'd fight. Yeah there would be a start disadvantage but it's Sean sherm. He's always at a size disadvantage.
 
pankrat said:
Islam is regarded as one of the biggest LWs, indeed.

Too much sherbro meme about cycles and beach muscles. Sherk was in the juice as many others.

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Sherk was 175lbs with strict diet and <10% body fat. Already had to cut bulk to compete at LW as used to be above 180lbs as a WW

To suggest this guy who fought at a great pace as he was would cut 40lbs to make BW is absolutely delusional and something Sherk would laugh at. In 2024 or in 1994, with Usada or not usada. Its just ridiculous.

Cormier is the average height of a LW btw. Only a true shertard would find "reasonable" to relate height and size/weightclass as you do.
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I feel like you're being serious here, but that's just not possible.

Shirk has a much smaller frame than many of today's top BW. The fact that he juiced up and blew up to welterweight because it was the smallest available division does not mean that it is not physically possible for his body to be smaller than that.

That is an insane position to stake out. You go ahead and get the last word I think I'm done with this argument.
 
pankrat said:
He could fight at LW too. Definitely no BW.
Today's testing procedures would not turn him into a skinny 155lber. He has a muscular build as plenty of fighters today or then with a strict diet and work regime to keep that muscle regardless of sauce and looks, he is no smaller man than Volk
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Show me a modern fighter under USADA testing that's built like Sherk in lower weight classes.
 
Bend NvR Break said:
He took a round off GSP.
I'd say he'd do fine. Never win good but he'd be a solid fighter. Skill wise is wrestling is still better than almost every guy he'd fight. Yeah there would be a start disadvantage but it's Sean sherm. He's always at a size disadvantage.
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GsP demolished him.
 
He was like the first can crusher.

I think Sherk was very overrated, and was more praised for his skill set than his actual ability. A top fighter, but his record is mainly jabronis.

Pretty much the best fighters he beat were years away from their prime. Never really beat anyone that good. Tyson Griffin was probably the best guy he beat that was in his prime.
 
TheGreenMachine said:
Sherk was and is still one of my favorite fighters. All the newbies now don't realize how dominant his wrestling was and how competitive he was against fighters much bigger than him like GSP, Matt Hughes, Nick Diaz, Karo Parisyan, and Kenny Florian. If a 145 division was around, he would have easily been its champ. As for the failed test, this was at a time when most of the fighters were doing it, so its hard to fairly judge him just based on that.

Sherk was basically the prototype of the more recent Chad Mendes in physical build, wrestling, and fighting style. Chad just had way more power than Sherk. But both were pretty similar in that they had to go up against a GOAT in their divisions at the time (BJ Penn and Jose Aldo) and would only lose to the absolute bests of the divisions. Sherk is pretty similar to Uriah Faber too. Sherk was ahead of his time, but that also hurt him since he never had the chance to drop to 145 like Faber or Mendes did.

You couldn't rate him at WW since he never won the title, but at LW, he's probably in the top 10 best LW fighters to win the title.
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Sherk is underrated and towards the end of his career he started to develop his boxing. Rewatch the Penn fight Sherk won many exchanges and Penn actually started to gas.

I guarantee if Penn did not hit that knee Sherk would have started to take over that fight
 
Doctor Grudge said:
He was like the first can crusher.

I think Sherk was very overrated, and was more praised for his skill set than his actual ability. A top fighter, but his record is mainly jabronis.

Pretty much the best fighters he beat were years away from their prime. Never really beat anyone that good. Tyson Griffin was probably the best guy he beat that was in his prime.
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Fedor was the first can crusher. Shrek actually fought elite competition.
 
pankrat said:
Sherk is the same size than Volk, if not bigger. Your argument is simply about "looks" in classic shertard fashion.
Plenty of fighters of Sherk generation had access to the same juice and testing procedures that he had yet they werent 180lbs with <10% body fat and a great gas tank.

If you mean that is physically possible for Sherk to slim down to the standards of a pro cyclist and cut to 135 I guess its possible just as it is for many FWs.
Its stupid to suggest we would get a skinny BW Sherk if he fought today. He would still be a muscled up pressure wrestle-boxer not much different than he was in 2009 and would fight at FW-LW just like Volk.
Michel Prazeres who is same height than him fought Shavkat at WW not that long ago
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Sherk is a better grappler than volk. Quite amazing really.
 
GOAT loss column for anyone with 3 or more losses. No random bums in sight.

36-4-1 with those 4 being nothing but ATGs in their primes is still a hell of an MMA record, even if it is a little thin.

Lacks a signature win, which brings him down, although Diaz, Karo and Kenflo are solid B+ wins.

Ranks more highly 'P4P' than either WW or LW because either win column alone is too thin.
 
Leon Edwards said:
Sherk is underrated and towards the end of his career he started to develop his boxing. Rewatch the Penn fight Sherk won many exchanges and Penn actually started to gas.

I guarantee if Penn did not hit that knee Sherk would have started to take over that fight
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His boxing got better towards the end, but I think he started to rely on it too much and abandoned his wrestling, especially against BJ. I know BJ is hard to takedown, but judging by how hard BJ can gas in his fights, there's no reason he couldn't have worn him out by chain wrestling more. He should have used his striking more to set up his takedowns (since he didn't have big KO power) rather than become overly reliant on it.

Some of that could have been due to age and it having an effect on his wrestling though.
 
Leon Edwards said:
Usman would tear GSP a new one. Do you think GSP beats Usman? I love GSP but come on styles make fights.
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Tear him a new one is hopefully a healthy dose of hyperbole...and I still maintain that prime GSP still beats any WW champ or top contender since his reign.

Shavkat might be the most interesting one to come along...
 
MRT said:
Tear him a new one is hopefully a healthy dose of hyperbole...and I still maintain that prime GSP still beats any WW champ or top contender since his reign.

Shavkat might be the most interesting one to come along...
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Usman would actually hurt GSP bad look what Johnny did to GSP.

Usman would stop GSP with strikes or GNP
 
MRT said:
I said *prime* GSP...not end-of-his-career GSP ;)
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Johnny Hendrix would do that to any version of GSP. You think GSP would outgrapple Usman?

Usman would wear GSP out against the cage.
 
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