Opinion Do you love or hate Donald Trump?

[Ezekiel 25:17]

I think hes entertaining, but beyond that murica has had shite for leaders for quite some time. Him included.

 

[squeezewax]

There is no difference between him and any other politician of any party in any Western country, he is scum. They all read from the same script. He is president because he was selected. It doesn't matter who is in 'power' because they are not the ones in power.
So many people are fooled over and over again throughout their lives.

 

[Contempt]

The greatest troll the world has ever seen... he's hilarious and has zero fucks to give.

The next four years are going to be wild.

/grabs popcorn

 

[Simple Southerner]

I like him

 

[William Huggins]

I'm indifferent towards him, as long as he stops them illegal pre-op trannies getting them free sex changes in Guernsey and invading Poland via the Moon on the backs of giant spaces whales with blue hair..... I will be happy......

That and he makes America great again......

 

[cooks1]

Do you really think Harris was a better option? The fact that her promises and rhetoric skewed well to the right of the Biden/Harris administrations governance suggests to me she knew the previous policies and the results were extremely unpopular.

This election was interesting as people had an idea of what both candidates may bring if they were to win. The belief that (pre-COVID) life was better under Trump was more commonly held. As an external observer the US has absolutely weakened on the global stage over the past few years as well. I don’t think either option was great, but Trump was the better of the two for the US long term.

The Dems made a mistake attempting to hang on with a Biden who was clearly unfit to lead. They should have worked to replace him with Harris as soon as the midterms were over to give them time to build a serious option. Letting Biden get as deep as he did in the campaign cycle when he was in obvious decline showed disdain for voters. They painted themselves into an undesirable corner and paid the price.

Clearly the dems fucked up galactically with regard to Biden. He ran and won as a 'transitional candidate' (his words not mine) and that's what he should have been. I can understand him not announcing he would not run again immediately, as that would have prevented him from accomplishing anything. But you are exactly right- he should have announced he was not running again shortly after the mid terms.

The somewhat commonly held belief that life was better under Trump pre covid is pure fiction. Trump inherited a humming economy from Obama, and OD'd it on steroids almost immediately with unnecessary tax cuts for the wealthy and ridiculous additional spending. Obama had the budget deficit trending down. Trump increased it 50% in just 2 years despite having a humming economy to begin with. It was utter folly.

As to whether Harris would have been a better option- hell yes she would have been. Almost anyone would have been. Things went OK under Biden, despite all the whining. He got a lot done. Did some good. The prescription drug cost thing in particular. And I suspect Harris would have reeled in some of the excess goodies Biden was throwing around and done even better.

Tax cuts for the rich, mass deportations, increased spending, giant tariffs, and fucking the environment is not a winning strategy. That's what he's going to do. That's what he ran on. That's what he got elected on. That's the crazy part to me. For all the lying Trump does, he told the truth about what he was going to do. Everyone knows it's a disastrous approach. And they voted for him anyway.

I have asked several times on the forum if there is anyone who genuinely believes tax cuts for the richest, along with mass tariffs and deportations is the right thing to do. Not one person has said it is.

 

[HereticBD]

Clearly the dems fucked up galactically with regard to Biden. He ran and won as a 'transitional candidate' (his words not mine) and that's what he should have been. I can understand him not announcing he would not run again immediately, and that would have prevented him from accomplishing anything. But you are exactly right- he should have announced he was not running again shortly after the mid terms.

The midterms really fucked their brains up, and the red wave not arriving as scheduled was a blessing in disguise for Republicans. It gave Democrats a false sense of security to just continue doing what they were doing. That was unwise.

Things went OK under Biden, despite all the whining.

Dude, you can't just hand wave away his historically low approval ratings, and chalk it up to "whining". 75% of the public thought the country was headed in the wrong direction under him. These are not the approval ratings of a "good" or even half decent President. They lied about the border. They lied about inflation. They lied about crime statistics. They lied about job numbers. They lied about Biden's mental faculties. They got caught up in funding two forever wars, one of which is winding down thanks to Trump. Things absolutely were better under Trump pre-COVID. Arguing that it's some kind mass hypnosis driving that notion, is beyond silly at this point. Biden was TERRIBLE.

 

[cooks1]

The midterms really fucked their brains up, and the red wave not arriving as scheduled was a blessing in disguise for Republicans. It gave Democrats a false sense of security to just continue doing what they were doing. That was unwise.

Dude, you can't just hand wave away his historically low approval ratings, and chalk it up to "whining". 75% of the public thought the country was headed in the wrong direction under him. These are not the approval ratings of a "good" or even half decent President. They lied about the border. They lied about inflation. They lied about crime statistics. They lied about job numbers. They lied about Biden's mental faculties. They got caught up in funding two forever wars, one of which is winding down thanks to Trump. Things absolutely were better under Trump pre-COVID. Arguing that it's some kind mass hypnosis driving that notion, is beyond silly at this point. Biden was TERRIBLE.

If you say so. But I'm still waiting for someone to state tax cuts for the richest, along with mass tariffs and deportations is the right thing to do.

But Yes- The Dems galactically fucked up with regard to Biden. He definitely should have announced he was not running again right after the midterms. And I think we are seeing no small amount of Democratic outrage over it now that the election is over. Things happened so fast in the moment that we just had no choice but to get on board. The anger would have just made things worse at the time. But now that it's over, I think many democrats are expressing their anger at how that was handled.

 

[HereticBD]

If you say so. I'm still waiting for someone to state tax cuts for the richest

You mean those same tax breaks that were proven to help the middle class? It goes a bit deeper than the bumper sticker slogans, dude.

, along with mass tariffs and deportations is the right thing to do.

Remains to be seen. In terms of deportations, what exactly is the negative? Obviously a balance needs to be struck, but letting in 10+(propably 20+) MILLION illegal immigrants into the country, is not helping either, and yeah, deporting a good chunk of them and getting them off the government tit is a positive.

 

[JonnyBonesPharmacist]

Clearly the dems fucked up galactically with regard to Biden. He ran and won as a 'transitional candidate' (his words not mine) and that's what he should have been. I can understand him not announcing he would not run again immediately, as that would have prevented him from accomplishing anything. But you are exactly right- he should have announced he was not running again shortly after the mid terms.

The somewhat commonly held belief that life was better under Trump pre covid is pure fiction. Trump inherited a humming economy from Obama, and OD'd it on steroids almost immediately with unnecessary tax cuts for the wealthy and ridiculous additional spending. Obama had the budget deficit trending down. Trump increased it 50% in just 2 years despite having a humming economy to begin with. It was utter folly.

As to whether Harris would have been a better option- hell yes she would have been. Almost anyone would have been. Things went OK under Biden, despite all the whining. He got a lot done. Did some good. The prescription drug cost thing in particular. And I suspect Harris would have reeled in some of the excess goodies Biden was throwing around and done even better.

Tax cuts for the rich, mass deportations, increased spending, giant tariffs, and fucking the environment is not a winning strategy. That's what he's going to do. That's what he ran on. That's what he got elected on. That's the crazy part to me. For all the lying Trump does, he told the truth about what he was going to do. Everyone knows it's a disastrous approach. And they voted for him anyway.

I have asked several times on the forum if there is anyone who genuinely believes tax cuts for the richest, along with mass tariffs and deportations is the right thing to do. Not one person has said it is.

Just curious, who do you think the Democrats should/could have run in this election? Was there ANYONE with a little chance after watching Biden screw the country for 4 years?

 

[cooks1]

You mean those same tax breaks that were proven to help the middle class? It goes a bit deeper than the bumper sticker slogans, dude.

Remains to be seen. In terms of deportations, what exactly is the negative? Obviously a balance needs to be struck, but letting in 10+(propably 20+) MILLION illegal immigrants into the country, is not helping either, and yeah, deporting a good chunk of them and getting them off the government tit is a positive.

There are far more American citizens on the government tit. The poorest 20% of ALL US CITIZENS actually get more $ from the government than they pay in taxes. And corporate welfare is probably an even bigger problem. But I think you are going to find the vast majority of immigrants, legal or otherwise, are value adders and less likely to be on the government tit than citizens. There are over 500,000 DACA people paying into SS and Medicare that many of them are not elegible to receive. I don't know about you, but I like other people paying into my retirement fund.

It's true the government does end up paying for things though. We spent about $16 billion over the last 4 years on emergency medical care for illegal immigrants. Which is a huge increase over the first Trump administration, during which those folks either did without, suffered, or died. Interestingly though, if we had given those immigrants tax ID #, they would have paid in more through the medicare tax than what was spent on them.

 

[USA!USA!]

I don't hate Trump. He is who he is. I don't think he's changed much over the years. I dislike things about him, but I like other things about him.

It's his "fans" that I dislike - the ones that will make excuses for him no matter what he ever does. The cultists. His apologists. The ones that act like he is a superhero and not a 78 year old man. Those are the ones that annoy me more than anything.

 

[cooks1]

Just curious, who do you think the Democrats should/could have run in this election? Was there ANYONE with a little chance after watching Biden screw the country for 4 years?

It was going to be tough regardless. No political party has ever won an election when the sitting president opted out of running again in the back half of the term. But I think with a normal primary process, a relatively centrist candidate like Gretchen, Pete, or Josh won the primary, they would have stood a better chance.

 

[Patrick Jane]

I find him very very funny and charismatic.

 

[HereticBD]

There are far more American citizens on the government tit.

And? Is that supposed to be a justification for illegal immigrants to suck off it? I'll never understand these arguments. It's the same shit when illegal immigrant crime is brought up, as if natives committing crimes justifies letting anyone come into your country to commit crimes.

Care to explain the logic in your rebuttal, because I hear it quite a bit and it never makes sense.

But I think you are going to find the vast majority of immigrants, legal or otherwise, are value adders and less likely to be on the government tit than citizens.

That's just due to demographics, though. Yes, there are hundreds of millions of more natives, than illegals. Thus they will outpace them in every metric. That's not an excuse to flood the country with illegals and treat them like natives, though.

It's true the government does end up paying for things though. We spent about $16 billion over the last 4 years on emergency medical care for illegal immigrants. Which is a huge increase over the first Trump administration, during which those folks either did without, suffered, or died. Interestingly though, if we had given those immigrants tax ID #, they would have paid in more through the medicare tax than what was spent on them.

There is this thing called laws, though. If you reward a bunch of illegal line hoppers, guess what you get more of? Your overall view of the issue is just unrealistic and unsustainable. You're whole argument appears to be for supporting open borders, which is absurd. You don't seem to think countries should have borders and it should just be a free for all. Good luck with that.

 

[subtlySteve]

I’m glad that Biden or Harris are not in power.

My stance isn’t rooted in being pro-Trump, but in opposing the influence of a shadow government.

 

[JonnyBonesPharmacist]

It was going to be tough regardless. No political party has ever won an election when the sitting president opted out of running again in the back half of the term. But I think with a normal primary process, a relatively centrist candidate like Gretchen, Pete, or Josh won the primary, they would have stood a better chance.

Being from Michigan, I don't think big Gretch stands a chance. Only ones in this state that like her are Detroit and Lansing areas

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

I might have to revise my position now that he has declared me (and all men) female

 

[cooks1]

And? Is that supposed to be a justification for illegal immigrants to suck off it? I'll never understand these arguments. It's the same shit when illegal immigrant crime is brought up, as if natives committing crimes justifies letting anyone come into your country to commit crimes.

Care to explain the logic in your rebuttal, because I hear it quite a bit and it never makes sense.


That's just due to demographics, though. Yes, there are hundreds of millions of more natives, than illegals. Thus they will outpace them in every metric. That's not an excuse to flood the country with illegals and treat them like natives, though.

There is this thing called laws, though. If you reward a bunch of illegal line hoppers, guess what you get more of? Your overall view of the issue is just unrealistic and unsustainable. You're whole argument appears to be for supporting open borders, which is absurd. You don't seem to think countries should have borders and it should just be a free for all. Good luck with that.

Fuckin A Right- Make sure they are not a criminal, give them a work ID # so they can pay taxes, and let em in. No fucking cover charge.

20% of American citizens are on the government tit. Nowhere near 20% of illegal immigrants are on the government tit. It's simply not true that immigrants, legal or not, are a financial drain on the government and society. The opposite it true. They are value adders. And they would be even bigger ones if we could pass laws to tax them properly.

Every morning I stop at the Race Trac convenient store to get a coffee. In that store every morning without fail are at least 10-12 illegal immigrants getting shit for the day before hopping in the landscaping trucks. These guys are making less than minimum wage but each of them is spending $10-$15 a morning on red bulls and food snacks. It's fucking crazy. I can't believe how much they spend given what they make. On Fridays I will see them at the same store at the end of the day buying 3 tallboys for the same amount of money a 12 pack would cost at a grocery store. They work. They earn. They spend. And unlike most Americans, they live beneath their means and either save or send money back home. You know what they don't to though. They don't bitch and whine. I wish more Americans behaved the way they did.

The benefits of immigration have always outweighed the drawbacks. Immigration made this country great. I am all about making immigration fast, easy and as close to free as possible.

 

[cooks1]

Being from Michigan, I don't think big Gretch stands a chance. Only ones in this state that like her are Detroit and Lansing areas

Yeah- Don't rally know a ton about her compared to the other ones I mentioned. He's a tiny little fucker, but I really like Pete B. Super intelligent. Super articulate, not afraid to go on Fox and into the lions den with town halls.