Social Do you believe a person can be born evil?

[UberHere]

Yeah bud, my stance on ‘evil’ is unenlightened. Lol

The fact that you think “evil” requires some religious or supernatural context does indeed make your views unenlightened. You could educate yourself, but I’m sure you’ll choose to remain ignorant.

 

[Natural Order]

The fact that you think “evil” requires some religious or supernatural context does indeed make your views unenlightened. You could educate yourself, but I’m sure you’ll choose to remain ignorant.

You obviously have no idea what the word ‘evil’ infers. You’re imparting metaphysical bullshit that holds no weight in the discussion unless youre accepting a dichotomy of right and wrong imparted by a designer.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Of course not, what a ludicrous question.

They may have mental health issues or another condition that leads them to making decisions others deem ‘evil’, but to believe they are born with hatred and malice in their being is absurd. Only religious retards would answer yes to this.

What a blinded assumption, I'm not religious and I answered yes.

 

[El Panteron]

You obviously have no idea what the word ‘evil’ infers. You’re imparting metaphysical bullshit that holds no weight in the discussion unless youre accepting a dichotomy of right and wrong imparted by a designer.

Not sure I'd agree, evil is a fuctional word like any other, even if something doesn't exist metaphysically we can still have our definition than can change with context. Good and evil don't really require religion to exist and have existed as concepts before, after and through different religions.
Even if we don't believe in metaphysics pretty much all of us still act like we do to some degree.
I guess it's still important to note you know shit can change when discussing it theoretically like us, but you still have your own values.

I do agree it's a difficult and nuanced concept and we don't always do it justice.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

For some this is true, but a smart person with a good heart can fake empathy and live a principled life as though they genuinely possessed true empathy. Problem is that a true psychopath thrives on other people’s misery and actually derives pleasure from it.

In my mind that is evil.

That’s basically what I said. You only read the first half.

 

[Natural Order]

Not sure I'd agree, evil is a fuctional word like any other, even if something doesn't exist metaphysically we can still have our definition than can change with context. Good and evil don't really require religion to exist and have existed as concepts before, after and through different religions.
Even if we don't believe in metaphysics pretty much all of us still act like we do to some degree.
I guess it's still important to note you know shit can change when discussing it theoretically like us, but you still have your own values.

I do agree it's a difficult and nuanced concept and we don't always do it justice.

The dolphins are evil mang! I wonder what word they call it in their high pitched frequencies….when discussing morality.

 

[UberHere]

You obviously have no idea what the word ‘evil’ infers. You’re imparting metaphysical bullshit that holds no weight in the discussion unless youre accepting a dichotomy of right and wrong imparted by a designer.

According to Oxford, evil is defined as highly immoral; wicked.
Nothing about designers and metaphysical bullshit. It’s really no different than using the term “heinous” as an adjective.

 

[Natural Order]

What a blinded assumption, I'm not religious and I answered yes.

What is evil then? You are imparting fantastical claims without evidence.

 

[Natural Order]

According to Oxford, evil is defined as highly immoral; wicked.
Nothing about designers and metaphysical bullshit. It’s really no different than using the term “heinous” as an adjective.

You should really stay in school. It’s correlated to morality as imparted by heaven/hell concepts….all originating from the religious mind.

All from fear no less.

 

[El Panteron]

The dolphins are evil mang! I wonder what word they call it in their high pitched frequencies….when discussing morality.

Brother why would you shit on the discussion like this? You don't seem that stupid.

1. We don't know if animals have any concept of morality among them. Some might.

2. You're acting as if I'm saying shit is "inherently" evil or not. I'm not saying that. We do still think some things are evil, even if these things change with time and place. The concept of evil remains but the content changes.

 

[Natural Order]

Brother why would you shit on the discussion like this? You don't seem that stupid.

1. We don't know if animals have any concept of morality among them. Some might.

2. You're acting as if I'm saying shit is "inherently" evil or not. I'm not saying that. We do still think some things are evil, even if these things change with time and place. The concept of evil remains but the content changes.

Youre simply validating my point that morality is fluid and subjective (as evidenced by all of recorded history) and that the word ‘evil’ is an exaggeration. Nobody can be ‘born’ evil, no matter how you look at it.

 

[Natural Order]

The topic is ‘born evil’. Most poster’s silly emotional responses strayed from this discussion after their first post, not sure why getting mad when the goalposts have shifted so absurdly…

 

[El Panteron]

Youre simply validating my point that morality is fluid and subjective (as evidenced by all of recorded history) and that the word ‘evil’ is an exaggeration. Nobody can be ‘born’ evil, no matter how you look at it.

I'm not, my point is even if something is fluid and changes it can still exist, you're tying the word "evil" to metaphysics and religion which is completely unnecessary.

 

[Natural Order]

Chimps are born evil! It’s evolution or some shit!!

 

[El Panteron]

Chimps are born evil! It’s evolution or some shit!!

Don't think this thread was trying to find a metaphysic definition of evil my man, think of it as a shorthand for "unnecessarily cruel". Rings better to you?
Asking if some kids are born with an inclination for cruelty is a legit question, one we've been trying to answer for centuries in my field.
Absolutely no reason to treat is as it was sunday school word vomit.

 

[Natural Order]

Don't think this thread was trying to find a metaphysic definition of evil my man, think of it as a shorthand for "unnecessarily cruel". Rings better to you?
Asking if some kids are born with an inclination for cruelty is a legit question, one we've been trying to answer for centuries in my field.
Absolutely no reason to treat is as it was sunday school word vomit.

When is cruelty necessary?

We all have the capacity to act on the full spectrum you see before you. It’s all of the cumulative events and environmental processes that steer us towards one or the other. And of course the undeveloped mind with no real guidance is a breeding ground for the path of ‘evil’.

 

[UberHere]

You should really stay in school. It’s correlated to morality as imparted by heaven/hell concepts….all originating from the religious mind.

All from fear no less.

lol did you go to catholic school or something? That would explain a lot

 

[El Panteron]

When is cruelty necessary?

More like "deserved" than necessary, but would just "cruelty" then be better for you? Doesn't really change the question.

We all have the capacity to act on the full spectrum you see before you.

Capacity aye, but we don't all act cruel do we? Only some of us.

It’s all of the cumulative events and environmental processes that steer us towards one or the other. And of course the undeveloped mind with no real guidance is a breeding ground for the path of ‘evil’.

Where is your proof? I brought up the studies earlier, these things do not link as neatly as you think.
Also brother, don't try to teach me psychology, eh? I'm a little bit more experienced than you in the matter.

Peaople can be brought to cruelty by their environment and their relationships only. But it's not the full picture.

Also you seem to imply that humans are naturally inclined to cruelty and need guidance to avoid it? Where's the proof?

EDIT: not sure if I should add this, but of course the last one was a rhetorical question, you can'r study humans outside of all contexts

 

[Natural Order]

More like "deserved" than necessary, but would just "cruelty" then be better for you? Doesn't really change the question.



Capacity aye, but we don't all act cruel do we? Only some of us.



Where is your proof? I brought up the studies earlier, these things do not link as neatly as you think.
Also brother, don't try to teach me psychology, eh? I'm a little bit more experienced than you in the matter.

Peaople can be brought to cruelty by their environment and their relationships only. But it's not the full picture.

Also you seem to imply that humans are naturally inclined to cruelty and need guidance to avoid it? Where's the proof?

EDIT: not sure if I should add this, but of course the last one was a rhetorical question, you can'r study humans outside of all contexts

Psychology? Proof. lol Good one.

Nobody implied we're inclined to "cruelty", I said we're blank slates with the capacity for any point on the spectrum. The variables that go into that capacity are unfathomable, but I think it's safe to assume that those from broken/abusive homes are left to figure much of morality out on their own and are higher risk candidates for not aligning with modern morality.

I'm not sure what you're explaining with the edit.

 

[Natural Order]

lol did you go to catholic school or something? That would explain a lot

I'm the biggest critic of Abrahamic religion on the site doofus, lol.

You use the concept of "evil" as most came to understand it in a biblical sense. I'm explaining that doesn't exist....but somehow I'm religious? I think my earlier assessment about your mental faculties being on par with Beavis was pretty astute.