Do you beleive in god?

Originally posted by cptn.fuktard
i don't think we're meant to at this point. why? because God gave us enough info to 1) know how to live life right and 2) to allow us to get to know him through faith. something happens to you inside when real faith comes alive. something that i can't describe. you'd have to experience it to know it.
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Hey cptn, I have faith to. You'd probably find we overlp more than we differ.
My faith is based on what I see and what resonates with me. Some of the bible does some of it doesn't. I think you're right on both points above, but I don't get that from the bible I get it from my perception.
I think you are right it is a circular argument, but we seem to have done pretty well at not frustrating or upsetting one another so far. Maybe, we should quit while we're still ahead.:)
 
Originally posted by Matt in Oz


Hey cptn, I have faith to. You'd probably find we overlp more than we differ.
My faith is based on what I see and what resonates with me. Some of the bible does some of it doesn't. I think you're right on both points above, but I don't get that from the bible I get it from my perception.
I think you are right it is a circular argument, but we seem to have done pretty well at not frustrating or upsetting one another so far. Maybe, we should quit while we're still ahead.:)
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i don't want to quit. i aint got shit to do tonight. NONE of the girls i called want to hang out and all the other threads suck.

i totally see where you're coming from though. i guess i follow the Bible because i'm, in general, very loyal to what i recognize as an authority. that's just me.

by striving to stay 100% loyal to the Bible i have found my life to have improved 10 times over.

i can't rely on myself all the time and i HATE relying on other people. i've made far too many mistakes in life and, even though i've learned from them, gained wisdom & strength from them.........i must admit that i do need help @ times and i'm not afraid to ask my spiritual Father.
 
Hi cptn,
I'm afraid I won't be around for the end. I finish work at 3:00pm on a Tuesday.

It's funny how much we have same ideas on, though.

I've got to say my life has improved a great deal by being true to myself (my conscience essentially). I don't act in a way that makes me uncomfortable with myself, mostly. I think that's why I say that we can have faith in God without the bible.

Sorry, again to cut this conversation short. You're a cool guy and I guess we can carry on tomorrow.:)
 
Matt like Captn. said before many of the inaccuracies of scripture are minor or half baked. The difference in geneologies is simply the different families those of Mary and those of Joseph. The wording is just very complex, impart due to the respective author's writing and the vernacular of Miles Coverdale. Many of today's Bible's are still lpublished like Coverdale published his and that's where most people find inaccuracies in the Bible. And Those many books that are fake in the Bible were known to be fake but when the Bible was realeased in the Late middle ages-Rennasaince Europeans were accuiring a book they had no understanding of and no one to properly teach them about.

I have to turn in, I know the capt. will carry on just fine and i expect a lot more interesting posts to read tomorrow.
 
Off the net for a few days, and look how far a thread can go.

I have a few questions that the studiers can hopefully answer for me. And no, they're not questions for attacking belief or any such thing. Approximately 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ came into the world's picture, and spread the word of his father. Now, not being a religious buff, I am wondering what was followed before then? Was there still Christianity before JC? If not(but I'm assuming there was), did all people before then go to hell? If there was Christianity before then, what was it called, since Christ was not yet born? Again, I'm not trying to be an ass with these questions, I was just wondering.
 
christianity didn't exist before Christ. both christianity & islam derived from judaism. all 3 religions believe in the coming of a messiah to restore peace, order and all that good stuff.
christians believe that messiah to be Jesus Christ. the other 2 religions recognize that Jesus was a great teacher but do not believe that he is the son of God. they are still waiting for one.

so did everybody go to hell before him?
1st off nobody's gone ANYWHERE yet. according to the Bible, the dead are merely "asleep" and souls go to heaven & hell during the final judgement.
so WILL they go to hell? i dunno. not in my place to judge. not in anyone's place. i have faith that God is just in his works.
 
i'm undecided, but i lean towards no. i never really put much thought into it, but in most religions i would be a hypocrite anyway so i guess i'll wait awhile.
 
Originally posted by cptn.fuktard
christianity didn't exist before Christ. both christianity & islam derived from judaism. all 3 religions believe in the coming of a messiah to restore peace, order and all that good stuff.
christians believe that messiah to be Jesus Christ. the other 2 religions recognize that Jesus was a great teacher but do not believe that he is the son of God. they are still waiting for one.

so did everybody go to hell before him?
1st off nobody's gone ANYWHERE yet. according to the Bible, the dead are merely "asleep" and souls go to heaven & hell during the final judgement.
so WILL they go to hell? i dunno. not in my place to judge. not in anyone's place. i have faith that God is just in his works.
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how does christianity explain buddhism? i am not here to put anyone down either, i am not a believer in organized religion or in god, but i am very interested in expanding my mind in any and every possible way. knowledge is power.
 
it doesn't directly address buddhism. Jesus only addressed the "old" beliefs of judaism. he never addressed islam either since that didn't come out till later.

if you're asking where buddhism comes into play with regards to christian belief....well, i dunno. it's got similarities & it's got differences. will buddhists go to hell because of their belief? not in my place to say.

regards to knowledge being power...i dismiss it. before you think i'm crazy i'd advise you to read the book of ecclesiates & then you'll see why. NO I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW THE BIBLE IN YOUR FACE so don't think that. i do think though, you will find wisdom more powerful- even though everything is meaningless....
 
I've come to a conclusion lately, and this thread reinforces it; that people we believe what they want to believe. That being said debate is good because it makes u think, re-examine ur beliefs and thus reaffirming them or changing them.

To answer your question HCT, buddhism was fairly foreign to people then; very very few people knew of it then. If Jesus refered tatom bomb or native americans wouldn't that be a little strange, the crowds would just go "huh?" and walk away. He referred to all other religons as Gentiles. Of course Christians re Jews and jews are actually just Hebrews or old school Jews if you will. Being a Jew and not following Jesus is like being a Jew and not following Abraham, just on a bigger more important scale.

This is off the point and returning to earlier issues; If you read the Bible and you read creation and you look at an elementary science book, the similarities in Creation are astounding. You just have to understand a day can mean: sunlight, 24 hours, 1,000 years, an episode. The process is amazingly, in fact, startilingly accurate. How did they know that? It wasn't tampered w/ obviously.

Also, by looking at Muhammed's life and teaching we see how Judeo-Christian influenceaffected his life. He lived in a mercant town so he met w/ Jews/Christians regularly. He taught their teachings. But Buddha, Confuscious, Zoraster ad many other religous teachers had ideas of balance and good will. Only the Abrahamic religons teach such complex philosophies. Men such as Rosseau, Newtown, DesCartes, Aristotle, Voltaire, Goethe for the life of them and building off each other and the Bible could not expand on Christian teaching or find flaw w/ it. For a man who was educated only by the Bible and had no apperent prodigous intelligence he was quite wise. All other religons hold him as a highly respectable Prophet, Rabbi, God, teacher etc.
 
do i believe in god? yes

do i suscribe to any organized religion? Nope
 
Originally posted by Tenacious T


. Of course Christians re Jews and jews are actually just Hebrews or old school Jews if you will. Being a Jew and not following Jesus is like being a Jew and not following Abraham, just on a bigger more important scale.


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I have cut out the rest of the post so this is a bit out of context but I must ask:

WHAT?

Please elaborate.
 
what he was saying in the 1st part was that christianity branched out of judahism.
 
You guys still talking about this shit? OK here we go, prove to me that there is really a god w/ out faith and the bible(which was writtin by man).
 
Originally posted by cptn.fuktard
what he was saying in the 1st part was that christianity branched out of judahism.
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Sorry fuktard he is saying way more than that and you people are taking this simplistic drivel to the bank.

Hell with it I am gonna jump the gun rather than wait for his reply.

Tenacious T: Buddy your sweeping generalisations are killing me. The level of inacurracy and downright falsehood is really stupendous. I guess because your write big paragraphs people don't have time to check up on what you say but since I am unemployed till July 29 I do. ;)

The inconsistencies in the Bible are only Minor according to you, fuktard and company. You folks declaim this as if it has passed your INFORMED scrutiny and everyone shares your already verified view. Don't think so. In fact people who actually know something of the Bible find these inconsistencies rather MAJOR and worthy of serious and ongoing debate.

The link(which it seems none of you checked being so well informed) I posted before should give you a glimpse on how unresolved this issue actually is with views for and against.

http://www.bib-arch.org/bswbBreakingIllSpecial1.html

About Confucius: Considered more of a PHILOSOPHER than a RELIGIOUS figure. Some argue his system of morals and ethics formed a state religion but this is a fringe interpretation. Put confucianism in your browser and compare the definitions you get.

Your absolute declaration regarding Abrahamic religions and complex philosophies: You base this on what? What are your criteria? Because Buddhism, etc... do not seem have an explicit dichotomy between good and evil they are therefore not complex? Lacking developpement on this issue? What? Please explain.

Aristotle,Voltaire etc... You are telling me these guy's intellectual cogitations were really fondamentally devoted to expanding on the Bible and competing with Jesus? And, as YOU claim, they have added nothing really significant? You are hard to please! Explain more I beg thee.

Bottom line: Stop making these sweeping comments without nuances and putting forth personal impressions as being well accepted knowledge. I notice some people taking your stuff at face value and being impressed with your name dropping when in fact you are not even putting forth straight facts. You guys are misusing fact to support your faith arguments. You can't have it both ways. Either completely abandon the real world and stick to metaphysics or put forth your facts accurately.
 
Originally posted by Blown & Injected
You guys still talking about this shit? OK here we go, prove to me that there is really a god w/ out faith and the bible(which was writtin by man).
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the only response i can ever seem to hear from that question is, "you just have to believe." so dont expect much different than that.
 
Originally posted by herecomestrouble



the only response i can ever seem to hear from that question is, "you just have to believe." so dont expect much different than that.
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Well if you have enough faith to belive in god, then you as well have enough faith not to belive in god..

So your saying your religon is based on blind faith to belive then try not to belive!
 
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