Do you appreciate WMMA?

[screaminleeman]

Yes, I liked it prior to its induction into the UFC. I was one of the most adamant haters of it being introduced to the UFC.

I have taken quite some time to even begin to "warm " to WMMA in the UFC octagon. With that said, I voted yes, and have finally completed the process to "accepting" it in the UFC.

In fairness to myself, it was NOT blind hatred of WMMA, nor the gap in the skill sets between Male MMA closing in on 30 years old vs. WMMA (I think under 15 years old).

My biggest beef is that the UFC claims to have a system of title shots supposedly based entirely on fighter rankings. Prior to 2009 there were only ~200 UFC fighters divided among 5 weight classes. There are only so many fights slots available in the UFC Octagon in the course of a year, and that is NOT changing! Before 2009, the average ranked UFC fighter earned an average of 3 fights per year to SUCCESSFULLY support the UFC's claim to having a system of title shots based on a responsible ranking system.

There were over 620 fighters on the UFC roster last year. That reduced the average fights per year of ranked fighters to 1.4. No matter how you slice it 1.4 fights per year by ranked contenders is a GDMF'ing joke to consider that this frequency of competition successfully supports a system of title shots based on rankings.

At first, I took it out on the male WC's FTW and below as well as the two WMMA divisions in the UFC that caused this catastrophic reality! I have reversed my mindset. Look I freaking ADORE the LW & WW divisions of the UFC. With that said, the fact that BOTH of these WC's I enjoy so much are housing over 100 fighters each.

This is now what I consider the UFC's greatest challenge. 100 fighters in a WC DO NOT all the best make. IMO, the UFC should immediately design a minor league system and send EVERY fighter not ranked in the top 30-35 in their respective WC to these development leagues to free up Octagon fight slots for ranked MMA practitioners.

Truth be told, the UFC WC's least effected by the minor league transition would be in this order: HW, WSW, WBW. FLW, BW & FTW.

The most impacted backwards would be LW, WW, MW, LHW.

 

[HHJ]

Its come along way. The fighters lower on the card are starting to get better. More fights im actually looking foward to.

 

[Coolidge]

Of course I appreciate it. Joanna vs Claudia was the fight of the UFC 200 weekend, and it wasn't even close.

Nguyen vs Smolka was unquestionably better.

 

[bad_k]

bad_k, I really don't mean this to be rude, but I am convinced at this point that you are either trolling, or not old enough to understand the things you're replying to. Every time you reply to me it's like you didn't comprehend anything that was just said, and yet still feel the need to reply anyway. I could literally just copy and paste what you just replied to and it would be the exact response to what you just said. It's maddening. It's like talking to a wall. I can't do it anymore.

It's the other way around. You can't grasp the fact that most people doesn't watch WMMA because it is the less athletic and less powerful version of MMA.

You tried to close your eyes and started to blabber about why weight classes exist and how Nick Diaz can take Mighty Mouse's lunch money but people still watch them fight because they are in the different weight class. This has nothing to do with the original statement.

What you keep being ignorant about is the "less athletic and less powerful" sentiment, the best argument you can come up with is that these girls in a lighter weight classes moves faster only compared to HW in MMA, which is a false equivalency because we are talking about the lesser version of the two among two same (or close to) the same weight classes.

You have never been able to logically refute these facts.

 

[ilfirin]

Hell yeah. Then, just as with men's MMA, some fights are awesome while others are shit.

 

[HHJ]

It's the other way around. You can't grasp the fact that most people doesn't watch WMMA because it is the less athletic and less powerful version of MMA.

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Joanna Champion is a better striker than alot of the men in MMA,and if you watch her fight and go "mehh well its less athletic and less powerful and i dont wanna watch it"..well...sorry you had to hear it like this...

 

[bad_k]

Joanna Champion is a better striker than alot of the men in MMA,and if you watch her fight and go "mehh well its less athletic and less powerful and i dont wanna watch it"..well...sorry you had to hear it like this...

Only people who says something as dumb as this are guys with no understanding of combat sports and only watches MMA to stare at ring girls and WMMA fighters at weigh ins.

 

[HHJ]

Only people who says something as dumb as this are guys with no understanding of combat sports and only watches MMA to stare at ring girls and WMMA fighters at weigh ins.

My join date completley refutes this.

 

[bad_k]

My join date completley refutes this.

You watched the sport for all these years to know nothing about it I guess.

115 weight class didn't even exist until UFC started it not too long ago, talk about the shallowness of the division let alone WMMA as a whole. (for every 100 guys that trains MMA there is 1 female that trains it)

Keep thinking shes a better striker than most men lol

 

[HHJ]

You watched the sport for all these years to know nothing about it I guess.

115 weight class didn't even exist until UFC started it not too long ago, talk about the shallowness of the division let alone WMMA as a whole. (for every 100 guys that trains MMA there is 1 female that trains it)

Keep thinking shes a better striker than most men lol

She is.

The UFC,the state of female mma,and the 115lb weight class has absolutley nothing to do with Joanna Champion being a better striker than most of the men in MMA. Shes a 6 time muay thai world champion,of course shes a better striker than most men in mma.

 

[Finnish Fan]

Shes a 6 time muay thai world champion,of course shes a better striker than most men in mma.

How can she be a better striker than most men in mma when she'd lose a match to all male strikers in mma.

 

[bad_k]

She is.

The UFC,the state of female mma,and the 115lb weight class has absolutley nothing to do with Joanna Champion being a better striker than most of the men in MMA. Shes a 6 time muay thai world champion,of course shes a better striker than most men in mma.

For every 100 guys that competes in muay thai there is 1 girl that does the same. Same goes for boxing. (Look what happened to Holmes) Combat sports has an extremely shallow depth for women this is just a simple fact that is easy to grasp.

Only sports that has depth in the women's division as men's are tennis and track and field. Perhaps volleyball too.

 

[HHJ]

For every 100 guys that competes in muay thai there is 1 girl that does the same. Same goes for boxing. (Look what happened to Holmes) Combat sports has an extremely shallow depth for women this is just a simple fact that is easy to grasp.

Only sports that has depth in the women's division as men's are tennis and track and field. Perhaps volleyball too.

Joanna is a better striker than alot of the guys in mma. Deal with it.

 

[HHJ]

How can she be a better striker than most men in mma when she'd lose a match to all male strikers in mma.

If she loses a fight to them it wouldnt be a question of skill,now would it?

 

[bad_k]

Joanna is a better striker than alot of the guys in mma. Deal with it.

yep the same way big foot exists and 9/11 was a conspiracy.

Some people will ignore facts and reality to indulge in fantasies.

 

[screaminleeman]

She is.

The UFC,the state of female mma,and the 115lb weight class has absolutley nothing to do with Joanna Champion being a better striker than most of the men in MMA. Shes a 6 time muay thai world champion,of course shes a better striker than most men in mma.

Not disagreeing with you HHJ, just pointing out the fact that MMA consists of way more than just striking. Is her striking "better" than that of the two K-1 champions, as well as Cro-Cop who also competed in the UFC? I'm not certain.

One thing that I am certain of is that she has had far greater success in the UFC than Overeem at this point. She has had 1,000,000x the MMA career than Mirko or Hunt with their roughly .500 record in the UFC

 

[Etherized]

Yes I like it.

 

[HHJ]

Not disagreeing with you HHJ, just pointing out the fact that MMA consists of way more than just striking. Is her striking "better" than that of the two K-1 champions, as well as Cro-Cop who also competed in the UFC? I'm not certain.

One thing that I am certain of is that she has had far greater success in the UFC than Overeem at this point. She has had 1,000,000x the MMA career than Mirko or Hunt with their roughly .500 record in the UFC

well im with you on that,mma there is more to it than just striking,and i dont say you have to compare her to cro cop and overeem,but there are so many others who just dont do the things that she is able to,in a variety of weight classes. Her front kick is one my favorite things to watch in the sport.

 

[El Fernas]

Not every WMMA is a good fight, but the same applies to mens fights, so yeah, i do appreaciate WMMA, lack of stoppages is a little setback but at least Holm´s last fight was entertaining enough, they didnt fade much in a 5 round fight which is a very good thing, nothing worst than seeing two fighters get sloppy af because they are just exhausted and can barely continue.

 

[Finnish Fan]

Not every WMMA is a good fight, but the same applies to mens fights, so yeah, i do appreaciate WMMA, lack of stoppages is a little setback but at least Holm´s last fight was entertaining enough, they didnt fade much in a 5 round fight which is a very good thing, nothing worst than seeing two fighters get sloppy af because they are just exhausted and can barely continue.

You don't get exhausted from 5 rounds of points sparring.