Do you appreciate WMMA?

[Will Samuelson]

It's all subjective. I like fighting regardless of gender. I won't try to convince anyone to like it, though.

This.

Maybe some earlier responses say the same.

The question you are asking is "Do you like low level mma?" Or at least I assume. Because if you hold WMMA as an entirity, then it is an ignorant question.

DO YOU LIKE A GOOD FIGHT?
Yes. Well, then WMMA aswell as MMA delivers.

DO YOU LIKE BORING/UNDERSKILLED FIGHTS?
No. Well, then MMA delivers shit too.

HOW DID MMA GROW?
By people sticking with it and seeing what it could become.
CIRCA 2003 when some big MMA names were getting house-hold, for every good male fighter was a 100 beer brawlers.

If you don't like WMMA it is because you don't care for MMA as a growing product.

Or, you have other reasons to do with gender, religion or other such bollicks. On which case the argument is way above me.

I'm just interested in good fights.
Boudicea didn't suddenly wake up one morning as a warrior. It took time.

 

[DanaWhitesButler]

Well the truth is just like with all sports WMMA is simply a slower, less powerful and less athletic version of the men's MMA.

There is simply no reason to watch it other then wanting to watch the "female version" of the sport.

Just imagine replacing their heads with a man's head while they are fighting and try to convince yourself if the fights are worth watching.

I'll give you less powerful, but do you really think heavyweights like Ruslan Magomedov and Soa Palelei are more faster, more skilled, and more athletic than Joanna Champion? If you actually believe that, there's no way we can ever agree with each other.

 

[Fuzzybabyducks]

Lol. You two are both slow. He was referring to your exchange with 'SnitchInsider' and others.

No I wasnt.. I was refering to your made up "facts", then trying to still defend them after proven wrong. u are also making up fights are better than others, exc...

We've seen 0 one punch KO's in the UFC, 2 legitimate KO's total, and barely a handful of TKO's.

I stand corrected. 1 one punch KO. But the knockouts and tko's are still laughably rare for as many women fights as we've had.

stuff like this.
But you thinking I was mixing you up with Bad_k pretty much shows were the level of your post are..

 

[bad_k]

I'll give you less powerful, but do you really think heavyweights like Ruslan Magomedov and Soa Palelei are more faster, more skilled, and more athletic than Joanna Champion? If you actually believe that, there's no way we can ever agree with each other.

I have never heard of either one of them and i probably have never heard of them for the very same reasons you insinuated.

So that point goes out window immediately.

 

[Coolidge]

No I wasnt.. I was refering to your made up "facts", then trying to still defend them after proven wrong. u are also making up fights are better than others, exc...

You're a bullshit artist. You said that my facts had been countered 'many times' in the thread. Where are those many times? You can't refer back to the same post to establish 'many times'. Own up to your mistake and move on.

And to call what I said 'made up facts' is highly disingenuous. I was going by memory and I happened to be off by...a single fight. The point remains the same: Knockouts and TKO's are a rarity in the UFC's women's divisions. That's not even debatable.

 

[Red Ninja]

I just like a good fight.

 

[DanaWhitesButler]

I have never heard of either one of them and i probably have never heard of them for the very same reasons you insinuated.

So that point goes out window immediately.

My point is that some female MMA fighters are more exciting and worth watching than some male MMA fighters. That's all. To say all of women's mma is shit is ignorant and reveals that the person having that view is just not watching the fights, has no idea what they're watching, or just hates women for some reason. That's the only conclusion I can come to after watching exciting fighters like Joanna and Ronda and hearing people say WMMA is terrible.

 

[bad_k]

My point is that some female MMA fighters are more exciting and worth watching than some male MMA fighters. That's all. To say all of women's mma is shit is ignorant and reveals that the person having that view is just not watching the fights, has no idea what they're watching, or just hates women for some reason. That's the only conclusion I can come to after watching exciting fighters like Joanna and Ronda and hearing people say WMMA is terrible.

I have never said any of that. I've said WMMA is the less athletic version of MMA.

I've seen Ronda fights where I've gotten excited but she is about the only one. I have seen street fights on worldstar where I got excited too,

 

[bad_k]

You're a bullshit artist. You said that my facts had been countered 'many times' in the thread. Where are those many times? You can't refer back to the same post to establish 'many times'. Own up to your mistake and move on.

And to call what I said 'made up facts' is highly disingenuous. I was going by memory and I happened to be off by...a single fight. The point remains the same: Knockouts and TKO's are a rarity in the UFC's women's divisions. That's not even debatable.

but the same way that guy can't refer back to your post you also can't refer back to mine to refute my arguments.

So I am looking at two idiots at the same caliber.

 

[tramendous]

no not interested beyond maybe cyborg crushing people. but not interested enough to even have that in ufc. create a wufc or feed em all to invicta and call it a day

 

[Kelman]

You can apply this very same logic as to why people should appreciate men's amateur circuits and every org outside of UFC, there are many talents at a lower tier competitions.

This is a far cry from why people should take their time to watch them all.

I do apply the same logic. It's the logic of the sport. We dont get televised amateur/regional mma in my country, but I watch Bellator and WSOF and Invicta and more whenever possible. What sort of douchenozzle only watches the UFC and nothing else? No Zuffa zombie here sir.

Fights like Joanna-Gadelha 2, Zingano-Nunes, Tate-Eye... you seriously dont enjoy this kind of high-intensity combat?? Weird.

 

[dim_]

So UFC on Fox pulled in 2.4m viewers... with two womens fights on the main card.

intedesting

 

[bad_k]

I do apply the same logic. It's the logic of the sport. We dont get televised amateur/regional mma in my country, but I watch Bellator and WSOF and Invicta and more whenever possible. What sort of douchenozzle only watches the UFC and nothing else? No Zuffa zombie here sir.

Majority of the general population only watches UFC. I sometimes watch Bellator when nothing else is on.

 

[SnitchInsider]

You're a bullshit artist. You said that my facts had been countered 'many times' in the thread. Where are those many times? You can't refer back to the same post to establish 'many times'. Own up to your mistake and move on.

And to call what I said 'made up facts' is highly disingenuous. I was going by memory and I happened to be off by...a single fight. The point remains the same: Knockouts and TKO's are a rarity in the UFC's women's divisions. That's not even debatable.

KOs are rare in women's divisions. This is true. TKOs, however, are absolutely not. According to the data, the (T)KO rates for the women's divisions roughly follows the expected rate of their weight, and in fact in two of the first three years, WBW actually had a (T)KO rate on par with or better than the 185 division. It has far exceeded expectations in that regard.

Strawweight has the lowest (T)KO rate, which is to be expected being the lightest division. It did land lower than expected in 2015, but made up for it with the largest sub rate by a large margin in exchange -- which is typically what happens in lower weight classes whenever TKO rates fall off (can't TKO someone that taps out first, basically).

So, in a nutshell: (W)Strawweight TKO rates are a bit lower than expected. (W)Bantamweight TKO rates are much higher than expected. Finishing rates overall for both the divisions are on par or better than expected rate.

 

[Kelman]

Majority of the general population only watches UFC. I sometimes watch Bellator when nothing else is on.

Plenty of good mma outside the UFC homeboy.

Btw, I added a bit onto that last post. Check it, would be interested in your answer.

 

[bad_k]

Plenty of good mma outside the UFC homeboy.

Btw, I added a bit onto that last post. Check it, would be interested in your answer.

I obviously watched PRIDE, HERO'S and Strikeforce when they were still around. I also watch OneFC or Bellator if one of their big names are fighting.

As far as those fights that you've listed, the thing is I always watch the women's fights when it's on the card I'm watching, it's not as if I refuse to look at the tv screen when they come on. However I don't get goosebumps waiting for one of their fight to come on like I do with some of the bigger fights in MMA.

 

[cocky]

There's less and less terrible fights. It's getting more talent, and more competitive. I don't mind it nearly as much as before.

 

[Roljo]

No, they are just not technically good enough, and I am not avenue speaking about the athletic differences with man. From time to time I watch some of the fights because with all the stupid stuff I read on Sherdog I started to love to see hype trains getting derailed.

 

[Fuzzybabyducks]

You're a bullshit artist. You said that my facts had been countered 'many times' in the thread. Where are those many times? You can't refer back to the same post to establish 'many times'. Own up to your mistake and move on.

And to call what I said 'made up facts' is highly disingenuous. I was going by memory and I happened to be off by...a single fight. The point remains the same: Knockouts and TKO's are a rarity in the UFC's women's divisions. That's not even debatable.

Cute someone who hasn’t said one correct thing is and making up stats is calling someone a BS artist. I guess its subjective On how many times you consider to be many times. Myself,HHJ and Mark Zima all posted things recently while you are on and posting that called out your BS. If you would of taking your own advice and read the thread you would have seen that many earlier also had posted things that destroyed your argument before you even made it. Yes there are many more knockouts and TKO’s in the mens divisions, but there are many more mens divisions then women’s. So let’s compare the WBW and Mens BW finishes in 2015

Womens- 5 T(ko) Stoppages, 5 submissions, 10 decisions. 20 fights, 25% end in TKO or KO

Mens- 10 T(ko) Stoppages, 9 Submissions 17 decisions.. 36 fights, 27% end in TKO or KO


Not much of a difference.

Oh and men's FW only 24% ended in tko or Ko in 2015, less than WBW

 

[Fuzzybabyducks]

KOs are rare in women's divisions. This is true. TKOs, however, are absolutely not. According to the data, the (T)KO rates for the women's divisions roughly follows the expected rate of their weight, and in fact in two of the first three years, WBW actually had a (T)KO rate on par with or better than the 185 division. It has far exceeded expectations in that regard.

Strawweight has the lowest (T)KO rate, which is to be expected being the lightest division. It did land lower than expected in 2015, but made up for it with the largest sub rate by a large margin in exchange -- which is typically what happens in lower weight classes whenever TKO rates fall off.

So, in a nutshell: (W)Strawweight TKO rates are a bit lower than expected. (W)Bantamweight TKO rates are much higher than expected. Finishing rates overall for both the divisions are on par or better than expected rate.

Beat me to it