Do u honestly think that prime Fedor could beat prime JDS?

JDS hasnt been hyped up based on gifs of his big finishes? I don't see much difference there personally.

Oh I agree. I just think that on Sherdog JDS gets more critical scrutiny because of recency and his fairly linear peak and dropoff. There is more awareness of his good and bad. Crocop has a more mixed career that is subject to all sorts of interpretations.

But as I referenced, that's not a commentary on Fedor. He beat everyone that they put in front of him for 10 years. That was his job and he did it.
 
Oh I agree. I just think that on Sherdog JDS gets more critical scrutiny because of recency and his fairly linear peak and dropoff. There is more awareness of his good and bad. Crocop has a more mixed career that is subject to all sorts of interpretations.

But as I referenced, that's not a commentary on Fedor. He beat everyone that they put in front of him for 10 years. That was his job and he did it.

Crocop I would argue gets more hate and disrespect in terms of his abilties than pretty much any other big name fighter in MMA history on Sherdog, probably because he was so closely associated with Pride.
 
JDS was an absolute destroying machine and looked unstoppable until the incredible Cain! I doubt very much that Fedor would’ve been able to stop prime JDS and the reason why is JDS is extremely hard to take down and control and he stings u from every direction especially his uppercut. What do u think?

Prime Fedor beats any man that’s ever lived
 
Crocop I would argue gets more hate and disrespect in terms of his abilties than pretty much any other big name fighter in MMA history on Sherdog, probably because he was so closely associated with Pride.

My feeling has always been that Pride fighters on average are more revered here than current fighters. Out of that group CC is on the more polarizing side but probably still below Wand or Barnett or Rampage. IMO.

I've been rewatching a lot of Pride recently and it's easy to get reminded how a lot of opinions get formed.

(Note - the above is a tangent to stated topic by TS. In interest of full transparency I take 2005 Fedor over 2011 JDS.)
 
My feeling has always been that Pride fighters on average are more revered here than current fighters. Out of that group CC is on the more polarizing side but probably still below Wand or Barnett or Rampage. IMO.

I've been rewatching a lot of Pride recently and it's easy to get reminded how a lot of opinions get formed.

(Note - the above is a tangent to stated topic by TS. In interest of full transparency I take 2005 Fedor over 2011 JDS.)

I think Wanderlei and Rampage get less hate because they did have good to decent careers in the UFC but Mirko's legacy really is bound up almost entirely with Pride.

I mean if we say made a thread about where you hated Crocop and JDS in the top 10 of HW's all time I suspect Mirko would be left out by alot more posters than Jnr would.
 
I think Wanderlei and Rampage get less hate because they did have good to decent careers in the UFC but Mirko's legacy really is bound up almost entirely with Pride.

I mean if we say made a thread about where you hated Crocop and JDS in the top 10 of HW's all time I suspect Mirko would be left out by alot more posters than Jnr would.

It would be a fun thread. But I do think that Sherdog leans more jits heavy than kickbox/k-1 and even if JDS was more of a striker he came from a BJJ orbit which helps him out in the court of public opinion.
 
Fedor could get caught like Cain did, but most likely he'd just throw JDS down and dominate him in top position.
 
What a casual thread...Prime Fedor beats jds, Jones and whoever you wanna put in there against him and then goes on to eat ice cream.
 
Mirko was always a counter fighter, he "ran away" from Aleks, Herring and Wanderlei but still destoryed them.

Fedor didnt actually work that hard for takedowns at all again Mirko, he pretty much just focused on outstriking him and that ultimately led to Mirko making errors which gave away takedowns and then gassing,

Bingo.
 
Absolutely, JDS has a bad clinch game and poor footwork. Fedor is clearly better in the clinch, on the ground, has better sub grappling, and is faster, the striking is arguable but IMO Fedor was better there too. Prime Fedor would beat down prime JDS worse/faster than Cain did.
 
I don't even think that's a bad match-up for Fedor tbh

It's not, prime Fedor is a terrible match up for prime JDS, he can out strike him, is faster than him and his clinch and ground game are significantly better.
 
Your questioning a fanboy arguement that was never based on honestly, even in direct comparison to JDS who dropped off more quickly it will carry on blindly being made.

As far as the original question goes I think style wise Fedor would have been the worst matchup of the Pride "big three" for JDS, Jnr at his peak was good enough that nobody would be a sure thing to beat him but Fedor's game was pressure much like Cain's but arguebly with better striking defence.

I don't think his defense is arguably better, Fedor had the record for least amount of significant strikes absorbed per minute for the majority of his career, well below guys like Anderson and Machida who everyone touted as having amazing defense.
 
Fedor could and sometimes did go for the legs but really you watch the Mirko fight and what stands out is that he doesnt really go for anything takedown wise in the opening miniutes. He focuses on the striking and successfully pushes Mirko back whilst avoiding his counters, its only when Mirko gets desperate and starts to make mistakes that he takes him down(actually via grabing a leg).

Fedor's takedowns didnt fail against Hunt, he was reversed a few times when pushing hard for them but he also got Mark down. Tactically I'm guessing he felt that grappling wasnt something he needed to fear against Hunt so ending up on his back wasnt that much of a risk, much less so than striking with him.

Mirko sucessfully beat guys like Aleks and Herring who had big reach advantages on him and he did so mostly via how effective his kicking game was. You watch those fights and its his opponent who is desperately trying to close the distance because even with their reach advantage the kicks have them outranged, if they stay on the outside they get picked apart.

Mirko got desperate???? From what, breaking Fedors nose. So we are ignoring Fedors faild TD when he ended in ropes when they got into first clinch??? Come on, give me a break. Fedor was jumping in with looping punches from the start. For the loves sake he was trying to get TD same like he did with Nogeira. He loops in, you put your hands in block, he clinches and sweeps you down. He did it to everyone. it was his instict.

How the hell he didnt fail with Hunt??? His TDs ended with Hunt mounting him 2 or 3 times. But even if we go by your standard. Mirror Prime Fedor today in HW. Look how Stipe and DC dispatched Lewis and Hunt, on other hand Fedor cant get any of them down if he isnt on his back. How does he get Francis down....??
He cant TD experienced wrestler with Judo, he cant grind them on fence like Khabib to use judo trips because he doesnt have mass. What i am saying Prime Fedor has same problems Silva Fedor had, because he would TD Silva if he could when he had him in block on the fence.

CroCop on Alex and Herring! Alex was a brawler who got rocked in pocket before leg, Herring standup was poor. No defense just throwing nonsense hoping for TD before he got timed with liver shot. Non of them fought like a real long fighter. Doesnt mean they are bad fighter all of them, but non of them with that kind of game would achieve significant result in UFC.

Best CroCop i was seeing was the one that KO Wanderlei, real counter striking, boxing lateral movement and 7 months later he is TD by Gonzaga and grinded on fence by Kongo.:(
 
Since we are talking prime Fedor I assumed pride rules

Every guy I mentioned is coming in full cyborg just like him... Jones would be unstoppable with no drug testing or watching his weight.... I suspect stipe would as well
Nobody attracts Jones with the ferocity that Fedor would
 
I imagine the ring vs cage would affect things a lot.

JDS' TDD has always been godly. Fedor has nowhere near the relentless pressure of Cain. I highly doubt Fedor would be able to take JDS down, let alone keep him down.

On the feet, Fedor is faster. And that's saying something since prime JDS was FAST. Both are legit one in a million athletes. Both can be hit, but JDS even in his prime was pretty hittable. The main issue was that his opponents (before Cain) were so terrified of him that it ironically played into JDS' striking game lol.

Fedor would have no such fear. He's possibly the fastest HW EVER and punched in combo.

Fedor via pressure + speed + punches in bunches. JDS back himself up and is TKOed.
 
Hard one to call. I think Fedor definitely has a chance.

You can't really prepare for somebody like prime Fedor's striking. He'd throw those crazy casting punches from all kinds of crazy angles, and at the same time he'd throw his leg out there behind his opponents leg, while throwing all of his weight forward, so it didn't matter if you blocked the punch or not, you were probably still gonna get tripped down if you stayed in the pocket for any real amount of time with him.

So idk how it would look in the striking dept between the two, either could ko the other....but if it lasted that long, I think Fedor would eventually trip or throw JDS down. But JDS was also good at getting back up, but getting back up while Fedor is on top is another thing. idk man. interesting matchup though.
 
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