Media Firas Zahabi says Fedor would KO Prime Cain Velasquez

ChessJitsu said:
maybe in relative terms but in 2010 you didn't have guys like Tom Aspinall.

science builds on knowledge of yesterday.

A regular scientist at MIT knows way more than Isaac Newton did though in contextual frame Isaac Newton is way more brilliant than anyone in MIT today.
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This is a common fallacy in sports. Newer is not always better

IE. Old shop worn Hunt KOing Lewis who is a perennial to 10 for like 8 yrs now
 
Mr.Maelstrom said:
I'd say Nog was his signature win personally, but yeah this is all spot on
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I can definitely see that. A lot of people consider Big Nog to be his signature win. It's a shame Cro Cop and Big Nog never fought.

My biggest critique is that Fedor, Cro Cop, and Big Nog all had mediocre careers and horrendous losses in their 30s, after leaving PRIDE. If PRIDE truly had the best heavyweights on the planet, at least one of them should have gone on to dominate the UFC (or Fedor should have remained undefeated outside the UFC).
 
Alpha_T83 said:
I can definitely see that. A lot of people consider Big Nog to be his signature win. It's a shame Cro Cop and Big Nog never fought.

My biggest critique is that Fedor, Cro Cop, and Big Nog all had mediocre careers and horrendous losses in their 30s, after leaving PRIDE. If PRIDE truly had the best heavyweights on the planet, at least one of them should have gone on to dominate the UFC (or Fedor should have remained undefeated outside the UFC).
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Cro Cop and Nog most certainly did fight sir
 
Alpha_T83 said:
IMO Fedor's legacy is overblown, but I also think the same of Cain's legacy. That said, I do think prime Fedor beats prime Cain.

Fedor's legacy was really hurt by Cro Cop. This was Fedor's signature win IMO, and Cro Cop got utterly embarrassed in the UFC. Nogeuira did slightly better in the UFC but still lost to Frank Mir and never regained the championship after that. It's a shame Fedor never fought in the UFC.

It's also not a good look for Fedor losing to 40 year old Dan Henderson at heavyweight, at only 34 years old. The loss to Bigfoot Silva at 34 years old is also a bad look. And I don't buy that bullshit fight years/miles excuse. Most MMA fighters have been training combat sports since their teen years and have miles on their bodies. Frank Mir almost died in a motorcycle accident and he still beat Big Nog.
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It’s because Fedor nuthuggers like to think he was invincible so there has to be some excuse when he got his ass kicked.
 
He might. He could also pull off a sub. But on the other hand, Cain could pull off a KO. Fedor was very hittable & the only kink in his loaded arsenal was his defense. Dude could eat shots but there could be a real chance of Cain sleeping Fedor.

Cain vs Fedor would be the true greatest fight of all time imo. Of course I mean a healthy Cain vs prime Fedor.
 
Cain had medium defense at best, even worse while going forward. He compensated by overwhelming you offensively, striking and wrestling wise like we have never seen before in the HW division. He weaponized his cardio, pushing the pace, being in your face always making you work no matter what.

That style will always have an opening for a punchers chance. That said if Fedor missed it will not have been an easy day at the office, goat or no goat.
 
Left Hook Lacy said:
Arona had elite BJJ. So did Big Foot. That's why Barnett would have been a super interesting matchup. But Cain? I struggle to imagine how he can control Fedor for more than five seconds on the ground. Guys like Fedor, Shogun, Mousasi ate wrestlers with weak BJJ for breakfast. The problem is when the opponent has good takedowns and BJJ at the same time.
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Bigfoot has elite BJJ? He's just a black belt like Cain is. Cain is a black belt under Leandro Vieira, the same guy who only gave Cormier a brown belt.

You talk as if Cain has BJJ on Coleman and Randleman's level.
 
KO Shotz said:
He might. He could also pull off a sub. But on the other hand, Cain could pull off a KO. Fedor was very hittable & the only kink in his loaded arsenal was his defense. Dude could eat shots but there could be a real chance of Cain sleeping Fedor.

Cain vs Fedor would be the true greatest fight of all time imo. Of course I mean a healthy Cain vs prime Fedor.
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Have to disagree about Fedor being very hittable. Over the course of his ten year undefeated streak he absorbed an average of about 1 strike per minute, he had great head movement and wasn’t easy to hit at all.
 
BFoe said:
Have to disagree about Fedor being very hittable. Over the course of his ten year undefeated streak he absorbed an average of about 1 strike per minute, he had great head movement and wasn’t easy to hit at all.
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Fedor got into a lot of exchanges that left him open to get touched up at times. When Fedor would go to throw haymakers he would lead with his head & it would be completely open for a big shot. I believe that in an exchange with Cain there would be a chance of Cain catching Fedor.

Yes Fedor did use head movement & bounced around, but he also would stand in the pocket & exchange blow for blow limiting his defense in those type of scenarios.
 
cmw43 said:
This was my thinking as well, Cain was always hittable.

Prime Cain was KOd by JDS, dropped by Kongo and Mollywhopped by Werdum, I see Fedor landing a bomb.
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And Werdum tapped a prime Fedor. MMA math is difficult with this one.
 
Fedor wouldve won most probably but after a war...cain sooner or later would get caught with something
 
It's quite possible. Cain has been chinned a number of times in fights. Didn't get finished in all of them, but he was there to be hit. And nobody hit as lightning fast as fedor did with the right hand at HW. But if he didn't land it early, he'd really need to rely on his Judo to hopefully scramble out of TD's otherwise cain is grinding the piss out of him from top and against the cage.
 
TheNewGame said:
Bigfoot has elite BJJ? He's just a black belt like Cain is. Cain is a black belt under Leandro Vieira, the same guy who only gave Cormier a brown belt.

You talk as if Cain has BJJ on Coleman and Randleman's level.
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Maybe elite is an overstatement, but I always thought his unique mix of size and skill made his top game a force to be reckoned with. Can you see Can keeping or even getting mount on Fedor like Big Foot did? I just see Cain instantly losing position or even getting reversed.

I don't see Cain getting armbarred like Coleman or Randleman, but I can't see Cain being able to control Fedor on the ground, either. I see Fedor hopping right back up or even reversing and then punishing Cain with his own ground and pound.
 
oldschoolmmafan said:
The current crop of heavyweights in possibly the worst in UFC history.
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It's a verifiable fact imo, they just cut their number 12 ranked HW yesterday lol
If you compare the litany of well-rounded HWs we used to have to today's top 10 and you'll see how many of them are one trick ponies, if that.

Maurice Smith beating Coleman is still an impressive performance by today's standards.
Can you say it's the same is true for guys like Tai, or Jailton?
They either win in the exact same manner they always do, or they lose lose trying.

Ffs, even Kongo developed a serviceable plan B with his knees in the clinch, a place he got very adept at getting to when he wasn't having success in the striking.

I think most of today's crop have next to nothing for a plan B
 
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