Do u honestly think that prime Fedor could beat prime JDS?

[DarkRaven]

Where's your evidence?

It seems you already forgot that he had a concurrent Combat Sambo career, so I guess he didn't have training camps for that too, huh?

And please name all the "japanese WWE star" that he fought, I don't mind waiting <Lmaoo>.

That is like me saying, prove he wasn't in Prime when he start loosing. Sorry but what can i say, if you spent you 20's over training in camps to fight Jap cans. How does that reflect on Fedor. At least Cain burned out fighting Silva and JDS.

How many Sambo WorldCups are every year, or did Fedor went to full camp for every regional amateurish contest?

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Fedor is still the HW GOAT to me but posters here are pretty silly when it comes to Fedor, acting like he was unbeatable in his prime when he almost got KTFO'ed by Fujita of all people.

To act like prime JDS had no chance against Fedor is just straight delusional. JDS had huge power in his hands and had better standup than most of the guys Fedor beat.

JDS was actually finished not "nearly" finished by Joaquim Ferreira, Cain was dropped multipel times by Kongo and destroyed JDS in the rematches.

Jnr's standup is better than the average of guys Fedor fought but his wins include 3 K-1 WGP winners(or finalists if you don't count Mirko's latter win) plus two UFC champions who built their careers on their standup.

Watch the fights, lol.

Regardless of his MMA experience, his TDD was exceptional. If you you're hung up on how he got there, I don't care.

Thats really the kind of opinion you get when someones knowledge of MMA comes from UFC spiel

The idea MMA skills always take 10 years to evolve to a high level is just clearly bullshit created to try and sell the idea declining names in their late 30's are actually peaking.

Its a common factor with most of the GOAT level fighters that they hit their peak relatively quickly, Fedor, Jones, GSP, etc did pickup very advanced skills outside of their base within 3 years.

Crocop deveolped elite takedown defence very quickly when he focused on MMA, thats just the reality you can see in the ring, watch the Nog fight, watch Herring, etc you can't argue you way around what your eyes show you.

 

[DarkRaven]

Watch the fights, lol.

Regardless of his MMA experience, his TDD was exceptional. If you you're hung up on how he got there, I don't care.

Watched it live, Mirko was revered here. Went full Conor fans delusional when he lost to Fedor. Even considered BJJ and ground game bullshit thinking i will force myself up and away from you and i will fuck you up standing up. Then i grew up.

There is a reason Mirko run away from Fedor from the start. He himself was aware Fedor will take him down if they ever got to close. Everyone can have exceptional TDD when they dont have to fear hands.

 

[PalmStrike]

Fedor?

Randleman dominates JDS.

 

[dogsdonutsdragons]

prime vs prime fedor moves better than jds, is faster, more well rounded, more tools. its hw and jds has the skill to ko him especially pre cain loses but people dismiss fedor to fast for not being in the ufc. he moved so well for a hw , had tons of techniques and speed

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Watched it live, Mirko was revered here. Went full Conor fans delusional when he lost to Fedor. Even considered BJJ and ground game bullshit thinking i will force myself up and away from you and i will fuck you up standing up. Then i grew up.

There is a reason Mirko run away from Fedor from the start. He himself was aware Fedor will take him down if they ever got to close. Everyone can have exceptional TDD when they dont have to fear hands.

Mirko was always a counter fighter, he "ran away" from Aleks, Herring and Wanderlei but still destoryed them.

Fedor didnt actually work that hard for takedowns at all again Mirko, he pretty much just focused on outstriking him and that ultimately led to Mirko making errors which gave away takedowns and then gassing,

 

[TJ177]

It's no reflection on Fedor but I wish with the passage of time more people would be willing to consider that Cro Cop is and has always been massively overrated.

He is a legend in many ways. Good guy, fun fighter, but a lot of his aura came from what his wins looked like and not a fair look at his losses.

 

[DarkRaven]

Thats really the kind of opinion you get when someones knowledge of MMA comes from UFC spiel

The idea MMA skills always take 10 years to evolve to a high level is just clearly bullshit created to try and sell the idea declining names in their late 30's are actually peaking.

Its a common factor with most of the GOAT level fighters that they hit their peak relatively quickly, Fedor, Jones, GSP, etc did pickup very advanced skills outside of their base within 3 years.

Crocop deveolped elite takedown defence very quickly when he focused on MMA, thats just the reality you can see in the ring, watch the Nog fight, watch Herring, etc you can't argue you way around what your eyes show you.

That is why we see many ppl who are not genetic monsters pick some sport in their 20's and become world top athletes.

Fedor was MMA fighter in time of one dimensional fighters, Jones has monstrous proportions for a fighter and GSP is wrestler in division where speed and stamina favors ground game. Take away GSP's wrestling and JJ reach and they loose much of their game.

I was saying Nogs and Herrings top game is lacking bad so their TD suffers and Mirkos TDD shines in comparison. Francis had elite TDD until Stipe rocked him and started mixing, then his TDD fell apart like just like Mirkos against Fedor.

Mirko was always a counter fighter, he "ran away" from Aleks, Herring and Wanderlei but still destoryed them.

Fedor didnt actually work that hard for takedowns at all again Mirko, he pretty much just focused on outstriking him and that ultimately led to Mirko making errors which gave away takedowns and then gassing,

Fedor was never single leg guy, he was judo TD guy. Hi move was to wing in with a wild punch and make opponent block so he can get into clinch and trip them over. So when i see Mirko run and hide behind fast jab, and Fedor wildly jumping in i dont think it is because Fedor wanted to box Mirko?!

There is a reason Fedors TD failed against Hunt and Korean guy, and a reason he didnt want to fight Sapp.

It's no reflection on Fedor but I wish with the passage of time more people would be willing to consider that Cro Cop is and has always been massively overrated.

He is a legend in many ways. Good guy, fun fighter, but a lot of his aura came from what his wins looked like and not a fair look at his losses.

CroCop was short kickboxer who didnt like to exchange in pocket. There is a reason there are no many MikeTyson sized guys on top. Its hard to overcome huge reach adventage for a pure striker like he was.

 

[acannxr]

That is like me saying, prove he wasn't in Prime when he start loosing.

In other words, you have no proof that Fedor didn't have training camps for his first 33 fights.

Sorry but what can i say, if you spent you 20's over training in camps to fight Jap cans. How does that reflect on Fedor.

And yet you can't name any of them in his first 33 fights; your argument is beyond laughable at this point.

How many Sambo WorldCups are every year, or did Fedor went to full camp for every regional amateurish contest?

There's this lovely thing called Wikipedia, so next time don't ask this question because it makes your idiocy/trolling way too obvious <Lmaoo>.

 

[thobra]

JDS is a great fighter, so saying it is an easy match for anyone is silly, but JDS really lacks a ground game, and Cain, a pure wrestler, took advantage of that. To think one of the best grapplers in mma history couldn’t dominate JDS on the ground is just dumb.

I would guess, clinch, td and submission or gnp.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Fedor was never single leg guy, he was judo TD guy. Hi move was to wing in with a wild punch and make opponent block so he can get into clinch and trip them over. So when i see Mirko run and hide behind fast jab, and Fedor wildly jumping in i dont think it is because Fedor wanted to box Mirko?!

There is a reason Fedors TD failed against Hunt and Korean guy, and a reason he didnt want to fight Sapp.

CroCop was short kickboxer who didnt like to exchange in pocket. There is a reason there are no many MikeTyson sized guys on top. Its hard to overcome huge reach adventage for a pure striker like he was.

Fedor could and sometimes did go for the legs but really you watch the Mirko fight and what stands out is that he doesnt really go for anything takedown wise in the opening miniutes. He focuses on the striking and successfully pushes Mirko back whilst avoiding his counters, its only when Mirko gets desperate and starts to make mistakes that he takes him down(actually via grabing a leg).

Fedor's takedowns didnt fail against Hunt, he was reversed a few times when pushing hard for them but he also got Mark down. Tactically I'm guessing he felt that grappling wasnt something he needed to fear against Hunt so ending up on his back wasnt that much of a risk, much less so than striking with him.

Mirko sucessfully beat guys like Aleks and Herring who had big reach advantages on him and he did so mostly via how effective his kicking game was. You watch those fights and its his opponent who is desperately trying to close the distance because even with their reach advantage the kicks have them outranged, if they stay on the outside they get picked apart.

 

[PunchKicker]

It would be a hell of a fight but Prime Fedor had the speed advantage over probably most HWs. In fact, which HW has has better hand speed than Fedor (Maybe Fedors bro and DC maybe)? I think JDS matches up well but Fedor has the speed, which is always a killer weapon. In a cage, I think prime Fedor could beat a prime JDS much easier than if it were in a ring.

 

[ezekielthree]

like a drum.

 

[DarkRaven]

In other words, you have no proof that Fedor didn't have training camps for his first 33 fights.
And yet you can't name any of them in his first 33 fights; your argument is beyond laughable at this point.
There's this lovely thing called Wikipedia, so next time don't ask this question because it makes your idiocy/trolling way too obvious <Lmaoo>.

Same like you have no proof Silva didnt mop up Prime Fedor. 90% of this forum is hearsay opinions. I am just commenting on logic he had 33 real camps to beat 20 guys who never had fighting experience.
For WWE close you eyes and pick any Jap name from the list. Are we pretending doped up judokas are MMA fighters. I guess whole post was one rhetorical question? Glad you showed maturity kid.

 

[91 seconds]

JDS in his prime was repeatedly struck by guys like Stipe and Cain. Fedor is more dangerous than those two when you add in his submission ability.

 

[weaselkenievil]

Threads like this make me wonder if TS watched Fedor in those days

Same here. Fedor was that good. It’s a litmus test for me, can’t respect Fedor then you know sod all and should be quiet until you’ve watched more MMA. Every single fighter and journalist with credibility rates him, only uneducated posters on forums don’t give him respect.

I’d take Fedor over JDS in a heartbeat.

 

[ExxA]

Igor vs Fedor is a much better fight that we never got too see. Esp since Igor is my favorite boi. No homo.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

It's no reflection on Fedor but I wish with the passage of time more people would be willing to consider that Cro Cop is and has always been massively overrated.

He is a legend in many ways. Good guy, fun fighter, but a lot of his aura came from what his wins looked like and not a fair look at his losses.

JDS hasnt been hyped up based on gifs of his big finishes? I don't see much difference there personally.

 

[tramendous]

JDS is just the boxing version of cro cop. Good offensively on the outside but breaks down defensively vs aggressive fighters who can pressure him. Prime Fedor is good at pressuring and has a great ground game and very dangerous striking. Fedor wins.

 

[chiefwiggum]

Yes. I do. Watch his fights with Mirko and Big Nog if you need some proof. When he was at his best - fast twitch, aggressive, great grappling and reflexes, awesome recovery, he could beat any heavyweight who's ever lived.

You mix in the fact that JDS is not good defensively backing up, I wouldn't be shocked to see him get knocked out. The pressure he would put on Junior wouldn't allow him to dictate pace and distance or take control of the octagon. Fedor in someone's guard in his prime is a scary sight.

Are you thinking of schaub? Big nog was jds mentor