International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

[rob mafia]

2-3 years ago, this was "disinformation" and "harmful."

oops, forgot about "debunked"

 

[PhitePhan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-19-origin-puts-social-media-gops-crosshairs/

“Twitter said early on in May 2020 that it would at least label disputed tweets about the virus, including on its origins… Facebook made a more explicit policy change in February 2021, announcing that it would remove “debunked claims about the coronavirus and vaccines” including that “COVID-19 is man-made or manufactured.”

 

[HOLA]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-19-origin-puts-social-media-gops-crosshairs/

That's an article about GOP politicians claiming that social media silenced their opinions, and this new report from the DOE, which says with "low confidence" that the pandemic was based on an accidental lab leak, proves them right. It's disingenuous because the DOE report does not prove them right, and they were not banned from discussing the issue on social media.

According to your article there was a 3 month period in 2021 where Facebook would remove "debunked claims," which included the lab-leak theory, which it then reversed in May 2021 when they felt the lab-leak theory didn't qualify as "debunked" any longer; YouTube never banned it at all, because the lab-leak theory wasn't in violation of any of their policies; and Twitter states that it removed many accounts for Covid misinformation, but it's not clear how many were because of the lab-leak discussion.

All of the big name Twitter bannings over Covid misinfo that I recall were over the vaccine misinformation, not because of the lab-leak theory. I distinctly remember many outlets and people, including GOP politicians themselves, posting about it on Twitter.

 

[fedoriswar37]

And this is the problem, isn't it?



People who didn't get vaccinated because they clearly didn't need to be got called antivaxxers.



People who were open to the lab leak theory got called conspiratards.



People who rightfully questioned the effectiveness of masks got called anti - science.



There's a flip side to most of that as well, but the point is many people picked a side based on political loyalties and ideas were adopted or dismissed wholesale and without consideration or rationalization.

The difference was , we didn't treat people like shit. Not all of us were hardcore make my choice . I encouraged plenty of ppl to get the Vax. I felt 0 need to get it myself . Guess which 1 of us had a label put on us though.

 

[BFoe]

It absolutely wasn't baseless.

It certainly wasn’t based on much, other than “there’s a virology lab nearby, it must’ve been that!”
Don’t get me wrong, if there’s a virology lab right near where a novel virus breaks out, there’s nothing wrong with examining that, lol. I’m not saying that. But there *is something wrong with deciding it was that with no supporting evidence, and there is something wrong with continuing to say that despite evidence to the contrary. It’s also a bit silly for these people to take a low confidence conclusion as gospel truth when they outright rejected a different low confidence conclusion.

We don’t know the origin of COVID at this time. It’s as simple as that.

 

[Fugazy]

It certainly wasn’t based on much, other than “there’s a virology lab nearby, it must’ve been that!”
Don’t get me wrong, if there’s a virology lab right near where a novel virus breaks out, there’s nothing wrong with examining that, lol. I’m not saying that. But there *is something wrong with deciding it was that with no supporting evidence, and there is something wrong with continuing to say that despite evidence to the contrary. It’s also a bit silly for these people to take a low confidence conclusion as gospel truth when they outright rejected a different low confidence conclusion.

We don’t know the origin of COVID at this time. It’s as simple as that.

I feel like you are being reasonable.

 

[kahiljabroni]

I always thought it came from the lab. I thought it was an intentional leak but either way it came from the lab.


That said, does anyone find the timing suspect. Administration and msm denied common sense for years and just 2 weeks after the China spy balloon we just happened to come to this conclusion?

We're basically China or North Korea at this point. Our government knew it came from a lab but that fact was inconvenient over the last couple years. Now this information can be weaponized against the Chinese.... who just damaged the biden administration so it's time to confirm common sense.

We don't get the news. We don't have real journalists in this country. Facts are only worth reporting if there's something to gain

 

[PhitePhan]

It certainly wasn’t based on much, other than “there’s a virology lab nearby, it must’ve been that!”
Don’t get me wrong, if there’s a virology lab right near where a novel virus breaks out, there’s nothing wrong with examining that, lol. I’m not saying that. But there *is something wrong with deciding it was that with no supporting evidence, and there is something wrong with continuing to say that despite evidence to the contrary. It’s also a bit silly for these people to take a low confidence conclusion as gospel truth when they outright rejected a different low confidence conclusion.

We don’t know the origin of COVID at this time. It’s as simple as that.

Do you think Fauci and colleagues’ actions to dismiss lab leak theory very early on helped or hurt determining the ACTUAL origin of the virus?

https://nypost.com/2022/01/11/fauci-called-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-shiny-object-in-april-2020-email/

 

[Andy Capp]

Cases of myocarditis have increased by a factor of 328.

Posts of made up statistics have increased by a factor of 823000.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Cases of myocarditis have increased by a factor of 328.

Oh, ok then.

Thanks for providing the evidence.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

2-3 years ago, this was "disinformation" and "harmful."

And was on the verge of being made illegal. Just managed to stop that because enough people woke up over covid.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

Oh, ok then.

Thanks for providing the evidence.

Assuming you'll likely only accept some mainstream source, otherwise you'll brand it as conspiracy stuff.
But this guy seems to explain it quite well....

https://www.theburningplatform.com/...carditis-rates-after-the-vaccines-rolled-out/


Ps, how are those fuel prices doing now?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Assuming you'll likely only accept some mainstream source, otherwise you'll brand it as conspiracy stuff.
But this guy seems to explain it quite well....

https://www.theburningplatform.com/...carditis-rates-after-the-vaccines-rolled-out/


Ps, how are those fuel prices doing now?

As of Feb 24, Stockport and Strabane had diesel at 151.7p per litre.

Given that guy is asking for people to support or contradict his thoughts, I'm going to take them as just that for now: his 'thoughts'.

 

[Andy Capp]

LMAO a little disingenuous!?

A LITTLE!?

Lack of evidence isn't evidence, no matter what your pre-conceived conclusions are.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Fauci and the NIH were funding this research by their own admission:

"On Wednesday, the NIH sent a letter to members of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce that acknowledged two facts. One was that EcoHealth Alliance, a New York City–based nonprofit that partners with far-flung laboratories to research and prevent the outbreak of emerging diseases, did indeed enhance a bat coronavirus to become potentially more infectious to humans, which the NIH letter described as an “unexpected result” of the research it funded that was carried out in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The second was that EcoHealth Alliance violated the terms of its grant conditions stipulating that it had to report if its research increased the viral growth of a pathogen by tenfold."

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-risky-virus-research-in-wuhan

This funding through EcoHealth began during the Obama administration, when the funding of GOF research was banned. Fauci was able to lift that during Trump's admin.

So rather than the NIH being held accountable, they are getting a sweet payment from Moderna, and this is just the start:

"Vaccine-maker Moderna has forked over $400 million to the National Institutes of Health for using a molecular stabilizing technique borrowed from government and academic researchers in its mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine—which the company made roughly $36 billion selling amid the deadly pandemic"

https://arstechnica.com/science/202...0m-to-nih-amid-dispute-over-covid-vaccine-ip/

Create the problem then create the "solution"...

 

[rob mafia]

It certainly wasn’t based on much, other than “there’s a virology lab nearby, it must’ve been that!”

...there are only a handful of labs working on gain of function and one (the only one we know of, btw) was working on gof with that same betacoronavirus and it just happened to be at ground zero of the outbreak.

totally just a coincidence, bro.

yeah, probably some market/natural.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Wrecked

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

As of Feb 24, Stockport and Strabane had diesel at 151.7p per litre.

Given that guy is asking for people to support or contradict his thoughts, I'm going to take them as just that for now: his 'thoughts'.

Yep you bury your head in the sand.

So your criteria for our bet is now if you find some obscure random fuel station selling it in the middle of nowhere for less, that's your idea of fuel price having dropped to that amount? Because last time I looked, everywhere still around the 1.70 mark.

 

[Poon Goon]

Wrecked

Didn't watch, but wasn't he also outraged that M&Ms were no longer sexy enough for him to jack off to?

 

[gatchaman]

News to me. Can anyone fill me in?

I have been posting about the origin of Covid-19 in the other thread. I will reproduce my most recent post from that thread here, but it is better to read in the other thread because I link each post to the previous post there: https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...gathread-vol-2.4265991/page-99#post-170047137

The smoking gun evidence that Covid-19 is lab made come from two parts of the virus:
1) The Furin cleavage site (which includes the sequence CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG from Moderna patent 9,587,003 filed on Feb. 4, 2016)
2) Three separate Gp-120 sequences

1) The Furin cleavage site with the Moderna patented sequence is covered in previous posts, but Igor Chudov gives further explanation of where to find the CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG sequence in the patent. From: https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/where-is-ctcctcggcgggcacgtag-in-the

Spoiler

So the string here is “ctacgtgc ccgccgagga g” (ignore spaces). Typing it more neatly, we get: CTACGTGCCCGCCGAGGAG in the Moderna patent sequence 11652.

Go to the “Reverse Complement Calculator”:

https://bugaco.com/calculators/dna_reverse_complement.php

Now type in the genes from Sars-Cov-2 (which is CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG):

2) As for the three separate Gp-120 peptide inserts, a very good analysis is here: https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/absolute-proof-the-gp-120-sequences

Spoiler

Aspect #1: The function of these inserts - that didn’t exist before 2019 in any coronavirus - were clearly stated as the intention of the DARPA DEFUSE proposal

In case you haven’t seen it, this is the document (archived here). You can see the involved players - Peter Daszak and Ecohealth Alliance.

If you look through the proposal you probably won’t make much of it because it looks like they were actually trying to look at “defusing” the threat of coronaviruses. The only problem is that they weren’t doing that at all. This is what they said they were going to do. In their words (the yellow highlights are the most important bits):

So they were going to introduce furin cleavage sites and sites binding DC-SIGN into coronaviruses (what could possibly go wrong?). Well, we know about the furin cleavage site already. What the hell is DC-SIGN, and what is needed to bind it.

Well, you might think this is a coincidence but….

That’s just one paper, there are many on DC-SIGN <=> Gp120 binding. Essentially it’s part of the mechanism that HIV-1 uses to bypass the immune system and gain entry to the very cells that keep your immune system working (T-cells).

This means that the Ecohealth proposal in 2018 described exactly the two changes made to existing SARS-coronaviruses that resulted in SARS-CoV-2 in 2019. Billions of years of random evolutionary change (that could never have been possible because there were no humans living in the bat cave for the evolutionary changes to promulgate) happened in 1 year. Then the authors of the proposal and all of their connected chums went into overdrive to dispel any talk of what you can now see is completely obvious. (If you haven’t seen Chris Martenson’s excellent review of the people involved and their nefarious meeting you should).

Had enough yet? Well, I haven’t because this is the final piece that proves irrefutably (as if the above wasn’t enough) that this was man-made.

Aspect #2: The genome sequences coding those Gp-120 loops don’t exist
...
And there we have it. 3 gene sequences.

• None of them exist in viruses.
  
  
• One of them doesn’t exist in nature at all.

Yet they appear in a virus that arose from nowhere, 1 year after Ecohealth said they were going to make one that did exactly what they proposed. And they produce peptides that arise exactly on the binding sites of the virus.

Cliffs: Both the Furin Cleavage Site and the Gp-120 inserts (using terminology DC-SIGN) are described in a grant application from 2018 submitted by EcoHealth Alliance. The Covid-19 Furin Cleavage Site contains a Moderna patented sequence (you cannot patent what exists in nature) and of the three Gp-120 inserts, two exist only in bacteriophages (Bacteriophages are viruses that infect bacteria and that wouldn't recombine naturally with bat or pangolin viruses), and one is not described in nature at all.