International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

[BFoe]

Yes, they just "pulled out their ass" a random CT that a virus originated at a biolab.

You just big mad that you're an idiot that brushed these legit concerns off. LMAO, love to see it! <45><45><45>

I have previously supported investigating the origins of COVID, so not sure how doing so would make me “big mad.” It makes no difference to me where it up originated from.

How is this conclusion illogical?

Because it wasn’t based on any actual data, it was simply a baseless assumption.
In fact, when certain intelligence agencies said with low confidence that the virus emerged naturally, CTers immediately rejected it because it didn’t suit their narrative. Now the Energy Dept says with the same low confidence rating that it was more likely to be a lab leak, and CTers immediately accept it. That’s illogical.

 

[Bald1]

exactly. how are so many ignoring this ? people were banned/silenced on Youtube and twitter for floating/discussing this lab leak theory.

now we're going to pretend, "oh, we always thought it was a possibility. what's the big deal?!?"

Well, HOLA isn't a partisan hack so he was probably open to the possibility and so thinks many others were as well. Other than that, yeah, the lab leak theory was considered misinformation by many. As was natural immunity and the possibility that big pharma wasn't trustworthy.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I have previously supported investigating the origins of COVID, so not sure how doing so would make me “big mad.” It makes no difference to me where it up originated from.

Because it wasn’t based on any actual data, it was simply a baseless assumption.
In fact, when certain intelligence agencies said with low confidence that the virus emerged naturally, CTers immediately rejected it because it didn’t suit their narrative. Now the Energy Dept says with the same low confidence rating that it was more likely to be a lab leak, and CTers immediately accept it. That’s illogical.

Also, when you stack up the different, major CT's that have cropped up (I mean, the major, major ones), most are still patently bullshit.

There is no vaccine-based population reduction.
The lab leak hypothesis doesn't point to an intentional leak, which was definitely been proposed.
Bill Gates wasn't to blame after all, apparently it's now Fauci, for overzealous censorship like he somehow out-ranked Trump and controlled all social media - another God-level left wing being.

The opportunity to say "look we were right" doesn't come around very often for CTards, but when it does, it was always just one of many banded around in a desperate attempt to get something right.

This is a biggie, though, if it turns out to be true.

And right now, that is a massive 'if'.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

We live in a world where the richest man in the world agrees with a far right Trump spox named Cat Turd about right wingers being right time after time lol.

And lefties are beautifully crying every step of the way.<45><45>

 

[Natural Order]

Gain of function research is an absurd concept that has been used to create problems, for the ability to sell a solution….all under the fear grift and guise of altruistic intent. It’s one of the most devious mechanisms I’ve seen from our species.

 

[Snubnoze707]

People keep saying that but it really isn't true.

Washington Post had articles about a potential lab leak as early as April of 2020. Multiple other outlets had articles on it shortly after. Even 60 Minutes on TV did a special on it early 2021. This is about as mainstream as it gets.

The lab leak has almost from the very start been seen as a possibility, albeit not a likely one, despite dopes on the internet claiming otherwise.

How is it "not a likely one"? It's THE most likely scenario, and clearly has been to anyone with a brain.

You cannot act like this was presented as an acceptable theory in the mainstream early on. People were called RACIST for even mentioning it.

 

[BFoe]

Also, when you stack up the different, major CT's that have cropped up (I mean, the major, major ones), most are still patently bullshit.

There is no vaccine-based population reduction.
The lab leak hypothesis doesn't point to an intentional leak, which was definitely been proposed.
Bill Gates wasn't to blame after all, apparently it's now Fauci, for overzealous censorship like he somehow out-ranked Trump and controlled all social media - another God-level left wing being.

The opportunity to say "look we were right" doesn't come around very often for CTards, but when it does, it was always just one of many banded around in a desperate attempt to get something right.

This is a biggie, though, if it turns out to be true.

And right now, that is a massive 'if'.

Oh for sure. Awhile back when the government indicated they were going to re-examine the origins of COVID, CT weirdos here had a big “I told you so” party merely because someone was going to look into something they claimed.

 

[Fugazy]

I have previously supported investigating the origins of COVID, so not sure how doing so would make me “big mad.” It makes no difference to me where it up originated from.

Because it wasn’t based on any actual data, it was simply a baseless assumption.
In fact, when certain intelligence agencies said with low confidence that the virus emerged naturally, CTers immediately rejected it because it didn’t suit their narrative. Now the Energy Dept says with the same low confidence rating that it was more likely to be a lab leak, and CTers immediately accept it. That’s illogical.

It absolutely wasn't baseless.

 

[Snubnoze707]

I have previously supported investigating the origins of COVID, so not sure how doing so would make me “big mad.” It makes no difference to me where it up originated from.

Because it wasn’t based on any actual data, it was simply a baseless assumption.
In fact, when certain intelligence agencies said with low confidence that the virus emerged naturally, CTers immediately rejected it because it didn’t suit their narrative. Now the Energy Dept says with the same low confidence rating that it was more likely to be a lab leak, and CTers immediately accept it. That’s illogical.

We have "actual data" from the FOIA release 2 years ago that you ignored.

We even have Fauci e-mails acknowledging this, and the need to SILENCE this discussion.

 

[PhitePhan]

Just like the Wuhan lab CT, it was a CT/dumb far right person, to say China is directly helping Russia with the Ukraine conflict, and everyone say blah blah China doesn't want to fuck around and find out.

I’ve noticed this trend as well, where critical info is revealed by a polarizing figure which then automatically leads to a certain segment of the population dismissing the info outright, while leaving a segment of rational thinkers ALSO resistant to the information, with only the staunchest of “free thinkers” left defending said info…

Then eventually the information is confirmed but there is so much dissonance going on that people avoid, deny, minimize, obfuscate, etc said information, which ultimately diminishes the impact of the revelation and any related consequences.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

We live in a world where the richest man in the world agrees with a far right Trump spox named Cat Turd about right wingers being right time after time lol.

And lefties are beautifully crying every step of the way.<45><45>

Thread derail much?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I’ve noticed this trend as well, where critical info is revealed by a polarizing figure which then automatically leads to a certain segment of the population dismissing the info outright, while leaving a segment of rational thinkers ALSO resistant to the information, with only the staunchest of “free thinkers” left defending said info…

Then eventually the information is confirmed but there is so much dissonance going on that people avoid, deny, minimize, obfuscate, etc said information, which ultimately diminishes the impact of the revelation and any related consequences.

I have never seen anyone on here say China isn't likely helping Russia in Ukraine?

Is that real, or are you just pretending?

 

[Bald1]

Also, when you stack up the different, major CT's that have cropped up (I mean, the major, major ones), most are still patently bullshit.

There is no vaccine-based population reduction.
The lab leak hypothesis doesn't point to an intentional leak, which was definitely been proposed.
Bill Gates wasn't to blame after all, apparently it's now Fauci, for overzealous censorship like he somehow out-ranked Trump and controlled all social media - another God-level left wing being.

The opportunity to say "look we were right" doesn't come around very often for CTards, but when it does, it was always just one of many banded around in a desperate attempt to get something right.

This is a biggie, though, if it turns out to be true.

And right now, that is a massive 'if'.

And this is the problem, isn't it?

People who didn't get vaccinated because they clearly didn't need to be got called antivaxxers.

People who were open to the lab leak theory got called conspiratards.

People who rightfully questioned the effectiveness of masks got called anti - science.

There's a flip side to most of that as well, but the point is many people picked a side based on political loyalties and ideas were adopted or dismissed wholesale and without consideration or rationalization.

 

[Reffson]

Cases of myocarditis have increased by a factor of 328.

 

[Tabarnakos]

Wouldn't be surprising one bit if it was a lab leak. In fact this is probably more plausible than some shitty food market which happens to be located a block away from the said lab.

In any case i don't think we'll ever know for sure, If it was indeed a leak the Chinese probably already destroyed all evidence and covered it up. Their lack of transparency since the whole thing started certainly raise some red flags.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

And this is the problem, isn't it?

People who didn't get vaccinated because they clearly didn't need to be got called antivaxxers.

People who were open to the lab leak theory got called conspiratards.

People who rightfully questioned the effectiveness of masks got called anti - science.

There's a flip side to most of that as well, but the point is many people picked a side based on political loyalties and ideas were adopted or dismissed wholesale and without consideration or rationalization.

Yes, it is a problem.

What did the people who said "no, the vaccine won't go off like a meteor hitting the Earth" and "billions of people aren't about to die for getting a jab" get called?

Similar things, by authoritarian-minded people on the other side who also cry foul and adopt a victim complex.

The sheer disconnect is, indeed, a problem.

But we're seeing it here - yet again - by claims that are well ahead of the realistic rhetoric about how this was definitely a lab leak (no one has actually said that), and how it was obvious all along.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Wouldn't be surprising one bit if it was a lab leak. In fact this is probably more plausible than some shitty food market which happens to be located a block away from the said lab.

In any case i don't think we'll ever know for sure, If it was indeed a leak the Chinese probably already destroyed all evidence and covered it up. Their lack of transparency since the whole thing started certainly raise some red flags.

We do know though. Again, did people not see the information from the FOIA?

We know they were going into caves and extracting coronavirus' from bats. We know that their were SAFETY concerns revolving around this practice. We know they took spike proteins from one coronavirus and implanted them on the genetic information from another creating a Frankenstein virus. We know they were able to DEMONSTRATE transmissibility to humans with this new virus (GOF), and that it became more virulent. We know that researchers in this lab became ill. We know that this lab is down the road from the "wet market" where the pandemic was claimed to have originated.

We also know that Fauci's NIH funded this research through it's subsidiary Eco Health Alliance.

This isn't some big mystery.

 

[HOLA]

The idea was censored on social media and people who proposed the possibility were actively diminished here as well as in real life. That's just reality.

As for not likely? That's exactly backwards.

The idea was not censored on social media; instead, it was actually all over social media, with people with a persecution fetish usually claiming they weren't allowed to talk about this...as they proceeded to talk about it.

As for being "diminished," I suppose they were, if you are using that as a synonym for "told they had no real evidence to support their claims."

 

[Crawler89]

I pretty much thought/believed it came from a Lab, but Ive always been on the side of it was a horrible accident/leak rather than intentional.
Imagine that persons poor day when they realize they caused it...

i want an episode of black mirror.

 

[Natural Order]

The idea was not censored on social media; instead, it was actually all over social media, with people with a persecution fetish usually claiming they weren't allowed to talk about this...as they proceeded to talk about it.

As for being "diminished," I suppose they were, if you are using that as a synonym for "told they had no real evidence to support their claims."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-19-origin-puts-social-media-gops-crosshairs/