International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

Edmond_Dantes said:
this mega thread has been inundated with garbage conversation, insults, saturation of memes, and other invective.

to merge a huge development of the COVID outbreak to a thread like this is irresponsible.
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Nah I think it is a good merge, and in hindsight would have been good to have collected even more bread crumb trails leading to the current article. A big "I told you so" could be had if historically a lot of this was all in the same thread, especially when you have people with the usual "no one could have seen this coming and I'm not being sarcastic" comments.
 
Covid just appears out of nowhere in Wuhan China at the exact time a laboratory in wuhan is doing a gain of function study on bat coronaviruses. But the super virus came from a bat at a meat market & not the bats or research done at the wuhan lab? Lol can people really be this gullible?
 
Im 99% sure that this news is not true, because the only way that the balance of probabilities could be swung to the lab leak origin is by someone having uncovered direct evidence from one of the labs, which seems highly highly unlikely after all this time has passed. When you consider terms like 'moderate confidence and low confidence' are being used around the report, it doesnt indicate the presence of such direct evidence, which should be conclusive: they either had the direct precursor to sarscov2 or they didnt. Add to that, the CIA and the US govt agencies in general seem undecided suggests to me that this is once again something to do with geopolitics rather than new virological evidence emerging.

And yes the lab leak theory is still a CT: its the very definition of one.
 
BlueCat said:
Covid just appears out of nowhere in Wuhan China at the exact time a laboratory in wuhan is doing a gain of function study on bat coronaviruses. But the super virus came from a bat at a meat market & not the bats or research done at the wuhan lab? Lol can people really be this gullible?
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This was only possible because guys like Fauci lied and obfuscated repeatedly during the pandemic… people really are pretty predictable, and our deference to authorities and our aversion to cognitive dissonance leave us very vulnerable to this type of manipulation.
 
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The Audience said:
Im 99% sure that this news is not true, because the only way that the balance of probabilities could be swung to the lab leak origin is by someone having uncovered direct evidence from one of the labs, which seems highly highly unlikely after all this time has passed. When you consider terms like 'moderate confidence and low confidence' are being used around the report, it doesnt indicate the presence of such direct evidence, which should be conclusive: they either had the direct precursor to sarscov2 or they didnt. Add to that, the CIA and the US govt agencies in general seem undecided suggests to me that this is once again something to do with geopolitics rather than new virological evidence emerging.

And yes the lab leak theory is still a CT: its the very definition of one.
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Then remind yourself there is ZERO confidence of a zoonotic origin.
 
The Audience said:
Im 99% sure that this news is not true, because the only way that the balance of probabilities could be swung to the lab leak origin is by someone having uncovered direct evidence from one of the labs, which seems highly highly unlikely after all this time has passed. When you consider terms like 'moderate confidence and low confidence' are being used around the report, it doesnt indicate the presence of such direct evidence, which should be conclusive: they either had the direct precursor to sarscov2 or they didnt. Add to that, the CIA and the US govt agencies in general seem undecided suggests to me that this is once again something to do with geopolitics rather than new virological evidence emerging.

And yes the lab leak theory is still a CT: its the very definition of one.
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An accident requires a conspiracy? Interesting…
 
"The Journal reported that the Department of Energy and the FBI concluded that the pandemic started from a lab leak for different reasons. The CIA hasn’t made a judgment on whether the virus sprung from a lab or naturally from another animal host.
Wuhan, which is located about 500 miles west of Shanghai, is home to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Wuhan Institute of Biological Products.
Chinese authorities in 2021 refused to cooperate with a World Health Organization effort to study the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from a lab.
 
This whole topic feels like some groundhog day time loop. I feel like we get a "covid was probably from the lab" story like every few months.

I guess Saagar Enjeti gets to do another victory lap segment on Breaking Points....even though he was a little late to the party on this back in 2021.

Bret Weinstein was calling it from the beginning.
 
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The Audience said:
Im 99% sure that this news is not true, because the only way that the balance of probabilities could be swung to the lab leak origin is by someone having uncovered direct evidence from one of the labs, which seems highly highly unlikely after all this time has passed. When you consider terms like 'moderate confidence and low confidence' are being used around the report, it doesnt indicate the presence of such direct evidence, which should be conclusive: they either had the direct precursor to sarscov2 or they didnt. Add to that, the CIA and the US govt agencies in general seem undecided suggests to me that this is once again something to do with geopolitics rather than new virological evidence emerging.

And yes the lab leak theory is still a CT: its the very definition of one.
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Well shit boys.. Guess thats a wrap

BTW, why you holding out on that last 1%, just go all in with 100% like a G
 
Low confidence.

That's better than wholesale dismissal and at least leaves room for discussion. And that's been the problem these last 3 years, right, you couldn't even talk about half these plausible theories without getting labeled as some sort of a kook.

Contrition: what is it and how does it benefit relationships and society? Some people really have to take time out for reflection.
 
cottagecheesefan said:
Gain of function research HAS to be done - Biden admin.

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If this was all a lab leak... and all this shit was avoidable... then we need to, as a species, rein in this kind of research, because it's patently obvious (if true) that we're not as smart as we think we are, we aren't in total control of whatever it is we're doing, and we're in danger of fucking everything up.

I mean, it's hardly a revelation to me that science gets a lot of things wrong before it eventually gets it right - but we're nowhere near smart enough or sophisticated enough or knowledgeable enough to be altering shit if we can't even fucking contain it properly.

De-invest these morons, worldwide.
 
Siver! said:
If this was all a lab leak... and all this shit was avoidable... then we need to, as a species, rein in this kind of research, because it's patently obvious (if true) that we're not as smart as we think we are, we aren't in total control of whatever it is we're doing, and we're in danger of fucking everything up.

I mean, it's hardly a revelation to me that science gets a lot of things wrong before it eventually gets it right - but we're nowhere near smart enough or sophisticated enough or knowledgeable enough to be altering shit if we can't even fucking contain it properly.

De-invest these morons, worldwide.
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We have to create a zombie apocalypse in order to know how to prevent a zombie apocalypse.
- eggheads

I understand the utility of studying "what ifs", but instead of getting the ball rolling, we'd clearly have been much further ahead if the energy was spent on how to deal with an outbreak should it happen. Containment, a balanced policy and what measures should be used and where should have been concerns that were addressed ahead of time. But instead of having answers to practical questions we got manipulation of shit we should only be studying instead of enhancing. Crazy stuff.
 
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