International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

[Deleted member 585708]

I don’t know very much about zoonotic diseases. I’m sure the range of illnesses out there would blow my mind. Sometimes looking at the night sky on a clear midnight blows my mind. I don’t think I’ve used “zoonotic” in a sentence out loud before. If I have, I probably mispronounced it.

Nevertheless, I have seen guilty parties obfuscate scientific evidence for their own benefit so many times throughout my life that it just doesn’t seem worthwhile to look into it, or try and convince myself that a vicious authoritarian government would ever admit wrongdoing on a massive scale. They still pretend the tiananmen square massacre is a myth. They lie about Mao’s achievements to an absolutely incredible, childish, insane degree. There is no reason to trust that government on any subject, ever. They are as bad or worse than the big brother state from 1984.

As for the USA, the pentagon funded that lab. Pentagon officials are also some of the worst liars on Earth today. The Iraq war is one example, but there are countless others. They will drone strike weddings and tell people they hit a terrorist compound, without batting an eye.

We’ve also seen a long history in the USA of corporations lying about dangerous problems for the sake of profit. Tobacco and big oil have unlimited funds and seem to be able to find a scientist who will just agree with whatever they want them to. They found doctors that will say smoking is good for you, and scientists who will say that we can dump anything we want into the atmosphere consequence free. It’s clearly a lie motivated by profit in both cases. Covid has been a boon to the pharmaceutical industry and they have no real reason to honestly pursue the genuine cause of this disease; and aren’t.

I suppose, if the Chinese government were completely open and transparent, allowed a full U.N. Investigation into the lab, where experts from multiple countries combed through the place and live streamed it, and those experts all unanimously said it came from an animal across the street, I would read a lot more about zoonotic diseases.

But that ain’t what’s happening, old chap.

Very good post, bud.

I can see where you're coming from, and you're right. It still seems a little one sided to me, but the you're factoring that into your thinking, so I can't disagree.

Looking at the rhetoric, the mistakes blend into the lies so seamlessly it's hard to know what's legit and what's bullshit. It is still worth noting the prevalence of zoonotic diseases long before the first scientist wanked himself into oblivion over the idea of a biolab.

 

[Crawler89]

When you play Pandemic one of the scenarios you can cause war with China by making the population sick then paranoid. Just saying.

Anyway. I still think incompetance rather than conspiracy. That it was a lab leak that went out of control rather than some plot to take us all out

 

[Hdfi]

It was a bioattack of the USA against China.

 

[PhitePhan]

Delete

 

[MicroBrew]

It was a bioattack of the USA against China.

The sort of response a CCP shill would make.

 

[Fluffernutter]

When you play Pandemic one of the scenarios you can cause war with China by making the population sick then paranoid. Just saying.

Anyway. I still think incompetance rather than conspiracy. That it was a lab leak that went out of control rather than some plot to take us all out

The conspiracy was the cover up. Not the origin of the pandemic.

None of the recent reports by the US government stated that this was intentionally released. Rather, it was an accident.

Even the cable that was written (before the pandemic started)on the unclassified system within the US embassy raised concerns about lack of oversight, rather than malicious intent.

The actual conspiracy was that there were scientists that believed it was made in a lab. But, after a series of emails, Zoom meetings, and grants...they announced they thought it was from a natural origin.

If these scientists were paid to change their mind, that would meet the definition of a conspiracy.

If these scientists were bullied into changing their mind, that too would meet the definition of a conspiracy.

So, it could have been due to incompetence and still been a conspiracy.

 

[Fluffernutter]

It was a bioattack of the USA against China.

I disagree.

It seems like it was:

- GoF research was going on in the US.
- The Obama administration didn't feel comfortable with US taxpayers paying for this.
- GoF research was outsourced overseas.
- When a new administration came into DC, the people that administered government grants for GoF research convinced their new bosses to continue the funding.
- The lab that was conducting said research had an accidental leak of a particular virus they manipulated while they were studying it.

As a result...

 

[Crawler89]

The conspiracy was the cover up. Not the origin of the pandemic.

None of the recent reports by the US government stated that this was intentionally released. Rather, it was an accident.

Even the cable that was written (before the pandemic started)on the unclassified system within the US embassy raised concerns about lack of oversight, rather than malicious intent.

The actual conspiracy was that there were scientists that believed it was made in a lab. But, after a series of emails, Zoom meetings, and grants...they announced they thought it was from a natural origin.

If these scientists were paid to change their mind, that would meet the definition of a conspiracy.

If these scientists were bullied into changing their mind, that too would meet the definition of a conspiracy.

So, it could have been due to incompetence and still been a conspiracy.

Cheers for explaining it more. I haven't been keeping up. Just commenting on people thinking it was intentional etc

 

[cottagecheesefan]

*boom*

 

[MicroBrew]

UPDATE:

- Judicial Watch used FOIA request to obtain 522 pages from the N.I.H. about grants to EcoHealth Alliance.

- Grant application from EcoHealth alliance lays out their reason for a grant application:

"With bat-CoVs that we've isolated or sequenced and using live virus or pseudovirus infection in cells of different origin or expressing different receptor molecules, we will assess potential for each isolated virus and those with receptor binding site sequence, to spill over," the grant application explained. "We will do this by sequencing the spike (or other receptor binding/fusion) protein genes from all our bat-CoVs, creating mutants to identify how significantly each would need to evolve to use ACE2, CD26/DPP4 (MERS-CoV receptor) or other potential CoV receptors."

This research, the EcoHealth grant application says, would "allow us to determine critical receptor binding sites, viral host range, and to better predict the capacity of our CoVs to infect people."

US funded research to create 'mutant viruses' at Wuhan lab ahead of COVID-19, records show
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-funded-research-create-mutant-191212747.html


Fauci Was 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, New Documents Appear To Show
https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114270/documents/HHRG-117-GO24-20211201-SD004.pdf

 

[PhitePhan]

UPDATE:

- Judicial Watch used FOIA request to obtain 522 pages from the N.I.H. about grants to EcoHealth Alliance.

- Grant application from EcoHealth alliance lays out their reason for a grant application:

"With bat-CoVs that we've isolated or sequenced and using live virus or pseudovirus infection in cells of different origin or expressing different receptor molecules, we will assess potential for each isolated virus and those with receptor binding site sequence, to spill over," the grant application explained. "We will do this by sequencing the spike (or other receptor binding/fusion) protein genes from all our bat-CoVs, creating mutants to identify how significantly each would need to evolve to use ACE2, CD26/DPP4 (MERS-CoV receptor) or other potential CoV receptors."

This research, the EcoHealth grant application says, would "allow us to determine critical receptor binding sites, viral host range, and to better predict the capacity of our CoVs to infect people."

US funded research to create 'mutant viruses' at Wuhan lab ahead of COVID-19, records show
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-funded-research-create-mutant-191212747.html


Fauci Was 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, New Documents Appear To Show
https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114270/documents/HHRG-117-GO24-20211201-SD004.pdf

“to better predict the capacity of our CoVs to infect people."

Thank goodness they were a step ahead and knew right away how COVID infected people so they could slow the spread. We got really lucky, money well spent!

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Oh, this is reassuring. The CIA paid off their analysts to make it look like it did not come from the Wuhan lab. Good times. Uh, defund these institutions right meow

https://x.com/COVIDSelect/status/1701602948357505229?s=20

dunno why tweet not embedding. Here is is in text form. with attached images

BREAKINGNew testimony from a highly credible whistleblower alleges
@CIA
rewarded six analysts with significant financial incentives to change their COVID-19 origins conclusion from a lab-leak to zoonosis.

 

[CrimsomSky]

I still think they took pandemic money making sheme from the MI2 movie. The USA government being involved in some way to develop the virus was blatant from the start.