International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

[ShadowRun]

 

[ineverpost]

China for sure coming up with a weapon that could disproportionately hurt political enemies while maintaining plausible deniability. So the engineered a virus that hurts fat people with plebslop eating diseases like diabeetus which is an epidemic here.

you give way too much credit. In hindsight I highly suspect all those doctors in chinese ERs that were dying of "covid" in all likelihood were sent to reeducation camps or flat out executed to keep a lid on things. they would not hvae leaked it next door to the lab if it was a conspiracy.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

People still arguing where covid came from. They should be debating its existence.....

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Imagine the adults in the room saying this 3 years later <45><45><45>

these people big big mad this might come out

 

[Rob Battisti]

Every time I read this thread title I simply say “yes” to myself

 

[cottagecheesefan]

House Republicans released a memo yesterday regarding the "study" Fauci used to claim COVID def did not come from a lab. Surprise! Seems it is Fauci himself and Francis Collins that tasked the authors of the article to write a paper about how it def did not come from the lab.





That paper, entitled “The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2” was sent to Fauci for editing in draft form and again for final approval before it was published in Nature Medicine on Feb. 17, 2020.

It was written four days after Fauci, and his NIH boss Francis Collins, held a call with the four authors to discuss reports that COVID-19 may have leaked from the Wuhan lab and “may have been intentionally genetically manipulated”.

The House Oversight subcommittee published emails Sunday in which the paper’s co-author Dr. Kristian Andersen admits Fauci “prompted” him to write the paper with the goal of “disprove” the lab leak theory.

Remember, the little weasel said he didn't know the authors of the article when he first brought it up? Kind of weird, considering he met with them just 8 weejs prior lol. The line from the press conference he first brought up the paper

“So, the paper will be available. I don’t have the authors right now, but we can make it available to you.”

 

[SheetsMMAfan]

House Republicans released a memo yesterday regarding the "study" Fauci used to claim COVID def did not come from a lab. Surprise! Seems it is Fauci himself and Francis Collins that tasked the authors of the article to write a paper about how it def did not come from the lab.





That paper, entitled “The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2” was sent to Fauci for editing in draft form and again for final approval before it was published in Nature Medicine on Feb. 17, 2020.

It was written four days after Fauci, and his NIH boss Francis Collins, held a call with the four authors to discuss reports that COVID-19 may have leaked from the Wuhan lab and “may have been intentionally genetically manipulated”.

The House Oversight subcommittee published emails Sunday in which the paper’s co-author Dr. Kristian Andersen admits Fauci “prompted” him to write the paper with the goal of “disprove” the lab leak theory.

Remember, the little weasel said he didn't know the authors of the article when he first brought it up? Kind of weird, considering he met with them just 8 weejs prior lol. The line from the press conference he first brought up the paper

“So, the paper will be available. I don’t have the authors right now, but we can make it available to you.”

BuT gIvE mE a LeGaL ReAsOn He ShOuLd Be In JaIl. He Is OuR sAvIoUr. OrAnGe MaN sAid BlEaCh. OrAnGe MaN bAd. GaTeS iS gOd. ElOn BaD. RoGaN iS a HoRsE.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

BuT gIvE mE a LeGaL ReAsOn He ShOuLd Be In JaIl. He Is OuR sAvIoUr. OrAnGe MaN sAid BlEaCh. OrAnGe MaN bAd. GaTeS iS gOd. ElOn BaD. RoGaN iS a HoRsE.

Speaking of Orange Man Bad, seems CNN trying to find a scapegoat for their poor coverage of the lab theory, to try and maintain credibility lol. Apparently, the former boss, Jeff Zucker, told CNN staff not to cover the theory because it was a Trump talking point. Shame

 

[SKYNET]

So I think it's pretty clear why this nerd started to act like some health expert all of a sudden...

It helps when you "award" media outlets and global journalist factions with over 400 million (that we know about) in exchange for keeping his name clear and clean

 

[SKYNET]

FBI has held that position. It’s not new. And it’s not consistent with the evidence. And like the ED’s position, it provides absolutely zero reasoning. These decisions could manifest from just about anything, including an impressionable director watching a Fox News segment. This isn’t the movies. The FBI/ED didn’t collect the world’s greatest scientists and hold a secret meeting to guide their decisions. The fact that ED has low confidence tells you all you need to know. There is no damning piece of new evidence.
I find it hilarious that the most extreme government skeptics, now unquestionably swallow up a position held by a government agency for literally no other reason than it aligns with their own narrative. Read through this thread. How many are demanding the FBI immediately release their reasoning and a detailed explanation for their decision? Gee I wonder why.
To say that the scientific literature is lopsided in favor of natural origins would be an understatement.

 

[MicroBrew]

UPDATE

House votes unanimously to declassify intelligence on origins of Covid pandemic, sending bill to Biden

The House of Representatives on Friday unanimously voted to declassify information on possible links between the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Covid-19 pandemic, sending the bill to President Joe Biden.

The Senate also voted unanimously earlier this month to require Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines to declassify such information.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/cov...-intelligence-on-possible-wuhan-lab-leak.html

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The one issue I see here is that there are 2 labs in Wuhan, the House bill only mentions the W.I.V. It does not include the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention, which is much closer to the wet market than the W.I.V.

So is this an oversight by the US government to not include the other lab??

 

[SurferH2O]

It was 100% a lab leak. They can't find any animal that it would have come from and they were able to do that with all other viruses quickly (nowadays).

The real question is, did they do it on purpose?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

It was 100% a lab leak. They can't find any animal that it would have come from and they were able to do that with all other viruses quickly (nowadays).

The real question is, did they do it on purpose?

i just posted in the other COVID thread that bith senate and house voted to declassify COVID origin info, both unanimously

Hopefully Biden does

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Lol, nice try Fauci, nice try. Seems like leaving out the info of racoon dogs all testing negative for COVID, meaning they don't get it, is pretty important lol

How it started, based of yet another "LEAKED" report that had not yet been published, thus making a bunch of headlines on one piece of leaked info, that was actually even deleted later, and did not confirm raccoon dogs even carried COVID-19, just their genetic material potentially could lol.

Just look at how the press goes based off leaked information they have now ay to even confirm <45><45><45>







How it is going



A bombshell study heralded as 'the strongest evidence yet' that Covid emerged naturally omitted key information that undermined its findings, experts claim.

The report, published online Monday, found DNA from raccoon dogs in the same location at an infamous Wuhan wet market where genetic material from Sars-CoV-2 was clustered in 2019.

Because raccoon dogs are known harborers of Covid, the research team concluded the finding 'contributed to the large body of evidence supporting a natural origin.'

The paper was first leaked by The Atlantic last week with the headline: 'The Strongest Evidence Yet That an Animal Started the Pandemic.' What is not mentioned in the study's manuscript is that all of the DNA samples from raccoon dogs tested negative for Covid via PCR test, experts told DailyMail.com.

Dr Simon Clarke, a microbiologist at Reading University in the UK, told DailyMail.com: 'You're supposed to point that out.

'I'm not saying there's anything dodgy about it, but it should've been highlighted.

'It is poor practice and there's no way they [the researchers] would get that past a good quality journal [during the peer-review process] they would be forced to put it in their limitations and discussions section.'

The omission of that crucial caveat adds to growing concerns about the reliability of the report, whose main authors include scientists who shut down debate about the lab leak theory - which the FBI and Energy Department have said with varying degrees of confidence was likely the genesis of the pandemic.

Dr Kristian Andersen, an evolutionary biologist at Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, was the lead author of a February 2020 paper some have said was designed to squash the theory that Covid may have escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). That paper, now infamous, was titled 'Proximal Origin'.

Emails revealed earlier this month showed that Dr Andersen was prompted by former White House doctor Anthony Fauci to publish the paper, despite both experts privately expressing concern that the virus showed hallmarks of human engineering.

In the latest research, which is still pending peer review, researchers used data that was uploaded — and quickly taken down— to a database called the Global Initiative on Sharing Avian Influenza Data (GISAID), an international hub containing viruses' genetic information.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

But we're still at the point where the number of departments studying this in the US are 4-2 against the lab leak hypothesis.

This might change in time, but there's nothing like being premature.

I, myself, was obviously premature when I'd thought (incorrectly) that the lab leak hypothesis had been ruled out.

It might be that, tomorrow, or next week, or next year, they find the bat/pangolin/panda bear/space alien that has the exact reservoir they're looking for, and that it flips back again.

I will never, ever believe that covid randomly came from some animal outside the virus lab instead of the lab itself. It’s ludicrous.

It’s an obvious lie and the motivations behind the lie are very clear.

This isn’t a political thing. It’s a common sense thing.

Forming a narrative that “conservatives believe it came from the lab and liberals say it came from an animal” is basically the only way to get anyone on board with the idea that covid wasn’t designed in a lab.

If you made 2+2=4 into a political thing you’d have one side denying and the other agreeing.

 

[Old Man]

Another right wing conspiracy that was true.

like most of them.

where do you find truth? The populist right! We accept all people, all races, all creeds. You are only judged by your actions and your character

Ah yes, the populist right. Home of hard facts and science. Whenever I want to learn the facts on important issues such as global warming, or whether or not the last election was stolen, I turn to the populist right. Lol.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I will never, ever believe that covid randomly came from some animal outside the virus lab instead of the lab itself. It’s ludicrous.

It’s an obvious lie and the motivations behind the lie are very clear.

This isn’t a political thing. It’s a common sense thing.

Forming a narrative that “conservatives believe it came from the lab and liberals say it came from an animal” is basically the only way to get anyone on board with the idea that covid wasn’t designed in a lab.

If you made 2+2=4 into a political thing you’d have one side denying and the other agreeing.

Is it still ludicrous if you know that some diseases came directly from infected animals though?

Zoonotic diseases is a very, very large subject, extremely well established, with tons of reading.

If you have that knowledge in your back pocket, how can it possibly seem ludicrous?

Genuine question. I'm not having a go.

If you weren't aware of the full range of zoonotic diseases, it might just blow your mind.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Is it still ludicrous if you know that some diseases came directly from infected animals though?

Zoonotic diseases is a very, very large subject, extremely well established, with tons of reading.

If you have that knowledge in your back pocket, how can it possibly seem ludicrous?

Genuine question. I'm not having a go.

If you weren't aware of the full range of zoonotic diseases, it might just blow your mind.

I don’t know very much about zoonotic diseases. I’m sure the range of illnesses out there would blow my mind. Sometimes looking at the night sky on a clear midnight blows my mind. I don’t think I’ve used “zoonotic” in a sentence out loud before. If I have, I probably mispronounced it.

Nevertheless, I have seen guilty parties obfuscate scientific evidence for their own benefit so many times throughout my life that it just doesn’t seem worthwhile to look into it, or try and convince myself that a vicious authoritarian government would ever admit wrongdoing on a massive scale. They still pretend the tiananmen square massacre is a myth. They lie about Mao’s achievements to an absolutely incredible, childish, insane degree. There is no reason to trust that government on any subject, ever. They are as bad or worse than the big brother state from 1984.

As for the USA, the pentagon funded that lab. Pentagon officials are also some of the worst liars on Earth today. The Iraq war is one example, but there are countless others. They will drone strike weddings and tell people they hit a terrorist compound, without batting an eye.

We’ve also seen a long history in the USA of corporations lying about dangerous problems for the sake of profit. Tobacco and big oil have unlimited funds and seem to be able to find a scientist who will just agree with whatever they want them to. They found doctors that will say smoking is good for you, and scientists who will say that we can dump anything we want into the atmosphere consequence free. It’s clearly a lie motivated by profit in both cases. Covid has been a boon to the pharmaceutical industry and they have no real reason to honestly pursue the genuine cause of this disease; and aren’t.

I suppose, if the Chinese government were completely open and transparent, allowed a full U.N. Investigation into the lab, where experts from multiple countries combed through the place and live streamed it, and those experts all unanimously said it came from an animal across the street, I would read a lot more about zoonotic diseases.

But that ain’t what’s happening, old chap.

 

[SandisLL]

Most likely yes....

We in europe initially had been pressed by mass media with opinion like " covid is dangerous for old ppl, let's lock them down and ...."
Like this reality.
China might be even happy if some 1m or 10m reitrement age or unemployed ppl will die, it is pleasure for their long term plans....

 

[SandisLL]

WHO is China's puppet.
U.N is China's and Russia's puppet org.