Elections Democratic Party Approval at All Time Low

[deviake]

You can still support trans people and immigration without making it a main focal point. We don't have to talk about it every fucking day.

You need to be more populist. Focus on things a majority of people care about. Essentially bribe the public with things that will benefit them. Push healthcare, social programs, education, the economy, these types of things to the front. Talk about these things everyday.

That's basically what I said

I think it's true in the sense that Democrats lose almost entirely because of their association with icky groups like gays and trannies. It's pretty clear by now that a BIG percentage of voters aren't informed and policy-focused but rather driven by feels and vibes. And the feels and vibes of the Democrats has been brilliantly dragged through the mud by the GOP.

That's what I think the problem is. What the solution should be is another issue.

I more or less agree with you that you fix this not by turning on the LGBT but by shifting attention to healthcare, minimum wage, college tuition, and other economic issues.

I don't think they lose because of those groups, I think they lose because they're not economically left wing and have no really ethos because they're beholden to the business class. Hence, "economy of opportunity", "abundance" and whatnot instead of universal healthcare, pre k, not supporting genocide, free college, paid maternity/paternity leave, government housing, high speed rail, supporting unions, legalizing weed and releasing nonviolent drug offenders, etc, all of that being basic shit in other countries, it's not even theory crafting.

Overall agreed though. Economics is the glue that holds everything together.

 

[Aurelian]

Back in 2008, when Obama ran, he focused on the things I've spoke about and he dominated those elections. To win, and get support, you have to focus on things that benefit people.

 

[Gutter Chris]

You claimed that people like me always complained about fascist taking over or something like that, no? I just pointed out that the US has never been more fascist in my lifetime than right now. Our government is talking about arresting citizens and shipping them out of the country. The president threatened to arrest the mayor of LA and governor of California. The president just casually dropped gerrymandering Texas to squeeze 5 more seats out.

This ain't democracy.

Right

My issue is that you can see that , feel threatened by it even ....but still don't understand why you should be armed and infact advocate that we all be disarmed ....in the growing threat of mordor. What ya gonna do if Trump does declare himself king ? Vote him out ?

Does that seem like a sensible position to you ? It does not seem like one to me. See I feel like society gets weirder and weirder every cycle too. It's why I've become so intolerant to any more gun laws and drew my line in the sand there as a matter of fact. Don't care what else the democrats are selling until it feels like society is becoming more stable again I will not consider voting for someone with a gd word about assault rifos or mags in their platform. Nope no thanks. Try again in a few years.

I'm glad we arrived there finally. What me and @My Spot exchange was about

 

[nhbbear]

Who’s surprised? They suck and they lost which has given us what we have currently. If they had put up a better opponent trump might not have won.

 

[nhbbear]

What's your single issue? Guns?

I am not in on your fight, but guns was a big reason I wouldn’t vote for kamala or biden. There were other things, but that was the biggie. I refused to vote for trump for more reasons but I am not casting a vote to the least bad of two terrible choices so I voted for my cat. She had a great whiskal policy

 

[nhbbear]

Back in 2008, when Obama ran, he focused on the things I've spoke about and he dominated those elections. To win, and get support, you have to focus on things that benefit people.

Obama won because of that one speech he gave at the democratic convention after bush won his second term. I said to my partner that he would win in four years.

 

[deviake]

Right

My issue is that you can see that , feel threatened by it even ....but still don't understand why you should be armed and infact advocate that we all be disarmed ....in the growing threat of mordor. What ya gonna do if Trump does declare himself king ? Vote him out ?

Does that seem like a sensible position to you ? It does not seem like one to me. See I feel like society gets weirder and weirder every cycle too. It's why I've become so intolerant to any more gun laws and drew my line in the sand there as a matter of fact. Don't care what else the democrats are selling until it feels like society is becoming more stable again I will not consider voting for someone with a gd word about assault rifos or mags in their platform. Nope no thanks. Try again in a few years.

I'm glad we arrived there finally. What me and @My Spot exchange was about

A lefty trans friend of mine who I've gone shooting with said, almost verbatim, "liberals and the left need to shut the fuck up about gun control."

 

[UberHere]

Are you referring to covid? Didn't that happen when Trump was president?

The collusion was between the Biden admin and social media platforms as well as MSM platforms. Yeah Covid was still very much a thing during the Biden admin. But nice try.

 

[helltoupee]

That's basically what I said

I don't think they lose because of those groups, I think they lose because they're not economically left wing and have no really ethos because they're beholden to the business class. Hence, "economy of opportunity", "abundance" and whatnot instead of universal healthcare, pre k, not supporting genocide, free college, paid maternity/paternity leave, government housing, high speed rail, supporting unions, legalizing weed and releasing nonviolent drug offenders, etc, all of that being basic shit in other countries, it's not even theory crafting.

Overall agreed though. Economics is the glue that holds everything together.

While Democrats certainly do not go far enough with the economic things you mentioned, they DO make some efforts to address economic issues.

What is utterly baffling to me, is people who complain about Democrats not doing enough economically, and then act like they have to vote Republican because of it (not necessarily you). There are several posters who imply this on these forums. It's literally like jumping from the frying pan in to the fire.

Biden passed a good amount of legislation that invested in public welfare. Could they have done more? Abso-fuckin-lutely! Are they beholden to corporate bribery? Yes sir-eee.

Is corporate servitude their ONLY platform? NO. And that's what you get from the Republicans. One policy. Trickle down economics. Republicans haven't had a single policy in the last 50 years that, over time, was economically beneficial to the middle and lower classes. That is not hyperbole or exaggeration. It is a fact.

Every single person on these forums who is a Republican or conservative have never been able to offer even 1 policy put forth by the Republican party that ended up having a positive outcome for anyone other than the wealthy. Because they can't. The best they can do is offer something like a minor reduction in taxes over 4 years, at which point that reduction expires and then their tax obligation triples. It's all smoke and mirrors. They give with one hand, and take with the other.

People are generally dumb. They hear things like "tax breaks for the wealthy" and instead of thinking logically, like "gee, I wonder what happens when the bill increases (our budget), and one of 2 paying parties (the upper class and middle class) has their portion of the bill decreased? I wonder who exactly is going to pick up the slack?"

It's like all of the idiots parading around the fact that Trump's tariffs have "brought in billions to the Federal coffers - Trump is a genius!". When they are so fuckin clueless that this windfall of billions came out of their own pockets. It's a regressive tax that is paid by the consumer you morons. Big surprise that Trump got incredibly upset that WalMart and Amazon wanted to put how much of the final bill was due to a "tariff tax" on their receipts. He wants his useless idiots to continue to think that the tariffs are paid by the exporting country. And it works. WalMart and Amazon capitulated. It amounts to people literally bragging that Trump is fucking them (and everybody else) in the ass. Raw.

 

[The XL]

Those issues are massive for hardcore conservatives that would never vote Democratic anyway. Elections are won by capturing swing voters, moderates, and independents.

And yeah, Republicans will always be in the mix just like Democrats will always be in the mix. Don't forget that boring, uninspiring, career politician Biden beat Trump much worse than Trump beat Harris. Trump lucked out to face a hugely uncharismatic candidate that stumbled onto her position by circumstances that will never repeat in our lifetimes.

Those issues are major losing ones for the left when it comes to independents and moderates. It's not helping that people are seeing what unchecked liberalism is doing to Europe, especially in the UK. These people are essentially being conquered by foreigners, they're subject to violent crimes, and they're getting put in jail for pointing it out. End game liberalism in Europe is going to lose Democrats a lot of elections in America.

 

[Gutter Chris]

A lefty trans friend of mine who I've gone shooting with said, almost verbatim, "liberals and the left need to shut the fuck up about gun control."

Right

I know a lot of people that probably would line up with the democrats better but for the gun thing and the gun thing is a deal breaker. In Michigan. A state that has cost the democrats recently and has kind of shifted from permanent blue to purple.

I don't think I'm wrong ...I think the democrats would really have the Republicans in a bad place if they stopped talking about guns and draped themselves in the flag. ...

Tell your tranny friend that your white trash autistic internet buddy thinks the same exact thing. This issue is costing the democrats a lot more than its gaining them and them vote blue no matter who's aren't going to vote Republican over it. I think the democrats would be in office right now if the gun guys in the midwest had supported the Democrats.

Thin margins man. Meet people where they are at. I think the democrats have kind of become elitist snobs and have actually forgotten this basic lesson of politics. They don't ask you about what you want they lecture you about what your interests are and what you should think. It's the ick especially to ....male voters

 

[HomeCheese]

Right

My issue is that you can see that , feel threatened by it even ....but still don't understand why you should be armed and infact advocate that we all be disarmed ....in the growing threat of mordor. What ya gonna do if Trump does declare himself king ? Vote him out ?

Does that seem like a sensible position to you ? It does not seem like one to me. See I feel like society gets weirder and weirder every cycle too. It's why I've become so intolerant to any more gun laws and drew my line in the sand there as a matter of fact. Don't care what else the democrats are selling until it feels like society is becoming more stable again I will not consider voting for someone with a gd word about assault rifos or mags in their platform. Nope no thanks. Try again in a few years.

I'm glad we arrived there finally. What me and @My Spot exchange was about

What are you gonna do with your firearms to make the situation better? How is your approach superior?

 

[HomeCheese]

I am not in on your fight, but guns was a big reason I wouldn’t vote for kamala or biden. There were other things, but that was the biggie. I refused to vote for trump for more reasons but I am not casting a vote to the least bad of two terrible choices so I voted for my cat. She had a great whiskal policy

Trump enabler but that's okay, you have a lot of company on this board.

I find it super strange that y'all are so attached to your weapons that that becomes your line in the sand. Not education, not healthcare, not children's well being, but guns. It's a very strange value system.

 

[PEB]

Gee, it's almost like ignoring the concerns of your core constituents, refusing to wield power efficiently when you have it, pursuing milquetoast half measures, not speaking out forcefully against genocide, and prioritizing niche social issues over the material concerns of the majority of citizens is... feckless and pathetic.

Jefferies and Schumer need to go yesterday. The DNC needs to completely clean house at the top.

I rest my case why he needs to step down.

 

[HomeCheese]

The collusion was between the Biden admin and social media platforms as well as MSM platforms. Yeah Covid was still very much a thing during the Biden admin. But nice try.

So Biden, social media companies and main stream media all colluded against Trump and the American people?

Is this what happened?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I think the main problem here is Democrats have drifted away from focusing on these things as the main focal point. Why are we talking about trans people every day? You can support them. No problem. But we don't have to make it a main issue.

That's the thing, they don't talk about them every day, conservatives do. I've done this several times in these threads and don't feel like doing it again but if you look at the campaign videos, websites, TV commercials, or rallies of Kamala or any other top Dem, tranny stuff isn't the 1st or 2nd, or even 8th issue they bring up.

But Republicans very astutely amplify when they DO bring them up in order to discredit them. It's a great strategy.

So the city councilman of Berkeley or something proposes some shit about gender-affirming care and Republicans and their media are on it like flies on shit. Never mind the 5,000 other bills that Democratic officials at the state or city level may introduce in a year, those 1 or 2 about trannies are proof that Dems "only care about LGBT madness."

 

[Gutter Chris]

What are you gonna do with your firearms to make the situation better? How is your approach superior?

This seems like a dumb question to me cheese. Like one where the answer is quite obvious .

I'll help you take the first steps .....I don't think we are there yet but should the need arise ....

Like my approach is take an umbrella incase it rains in yours is more of a well ill just make it up right there on the spot if it starts to pour. Seems obvious why my approach is better.

 

[UberHere]

So Biden, social media companies and main stream media all colluded against Trump and the American people?

Is this what happened?

Yes. Already been threads on this. Search function

 

[HomeCheese]

This seems like a dumb question to me cheese. Like one where the answer is quite obvious .

I'll help you take the first steps .....I don't think we are there yet but should the need arise ....

Like my approach is take an umbrella incase it rains in yours is more of a well ill just make it up right there on the spot if it starts to pour. Seems obvious why my approach is better.

I just don't find your game plan realistic. I can't imagine you taking on the government in an armed conflict. In fact, most of the gun guys are totally on board with what's happening. Further, what you gonna do against a fancy drone?

On the other hand I do know that guns will continue to be the top or near the top killer of children in the US.

What I don't want actually happens every day in America and what you imagine happening will never, ever happen IMHO.

 

[Mr Holmes]

But... by posting in this forum... we are metaphorically "sitting at the same table."

There are tons of complete echo chambers to hang out in, but instead here we are choosing to talk to you knuckle heads.

Yeah, I'm not sure calling others racists and deplorables is a good faith attempt to come to the table, but okay.