Definitive case for JBJ not being GOAT

Sure dude. Make up whatever fantasies you need to get through your day. This entire thread proves once again that Im rent free in your empty head and you have no argument.

Just pure unhinged emotional flailing when you see objectivity for JBJ. Followed by delusions and projection.

If dropped so many deuces into this empty head of yours I should start a fertilizer factory in here.

Literally other random people have told you to Stop bitching, moaning and complaining. LOL
Buddy, you created an alternate account, just to attack me and call me Mcgregor nuthugger, Lol.

You have some mental issues going on, and it all stems from Jon Jones for some reason, that has cause you turn into a pathological liar and borderline retard.

Keep it up though, you’re doing great.
 
Buddy, you created an alternate account, just to attack me and call me Mcgregor nuthugger, Lol.

You have some mental issues going on, and it all stems from Jon Jones for some reason, that has cause you turn into a pathological liar and borderline retard.

Keep it up though, you’re doing great.

There you go with more fantasies LMFAO

Cant even make this shit up <lmao>
 
The higher your fight iq is

The more retarded things @BowserJr says are

We could show your posts to a room full of the best fighters on the planet

Not a single one would agree with you

You can do this kind of mental gymnastics about anyone if you try hard enough to hate. Even Fedor, whom I’m a giant fan of.

It doesn’t really hold up when you truly study the level of talent, skillset and potential that’s shown objectively.

DC at his best is a better win than anyone has on their resume, who himself may have gone down at the goat of jones didn’t exist.

That was our modern day Fedor Crocop, a bout where Jones couldn’t just go through the motions, but truly had to tap into his best self to win.

There’s many versions of Jones, he was similar to BJ Penn in that he often showed up on talent alone and still won.

If we analyze his worst performances, that would paint a very inaccurate picture of how good he was at his absolute best though.

It takes legitimate fight iq and absence of bias towards Jon to analyze his career effectively and understand how good he actually was.

Fighters know, because they’re capable of drawing that line.

Most, like yourself, are too deeply pressed by jones as a person that you cannot be objective.

At the end of the day, there’s levels to this and you are nowhere near as smart as you think you are about this sport.

You have some training and should know better than this, but you allow your dislike of the man to bleed into his career, and that instantly removes credibility.
 
Sure dude. Make up whatever fantasies you need to get through your day. This entire thread proves once again that Im rent free in your empty head and you have no argument.

Just pure unhinged emotional flailing when you see objectivity for JBJ. Followed by delusions and projection.

If dropped so many deuces into this empty head of yours I should start a fertilizer factory in here.

Literally other random people have told you to Stop bitching, moaning and complaining. LOL
You're the one moaning and complaining that JJ is a goat
 
The higher your fight iq is

The more retarded things @BowserJr says are

We could show your posts to a room full of the best fighters on the planet

Not a single one would agree with you

You can do this kind of mental gymnastics about anyone if you try hard enough to hate. Even Fedor, whom I’m a giant fan of.

It doesn’t really hold up when you truly study the level of talent, skillset and potential that’s shown objectively.

DC at his best is a better win than anyone has on their resume, who himself may have gone down at the goat of jones didn’t exist.

That was our modern day Fedor Crocop, a bout where Jones couldn’t just go through the motions, but truly had to tap into his best self to win.

There’s many versions of Jones, he was similar to BJ Penn in that he often showed up on talent alone and still won.

If we analyze his worst performances, that would paint a very inaccurate picture of how good he was at his absolute best though.

It takes legitimate fight iq and absence of bias towards Jon to analyze his career effectively and understand how good he actually was.

Fighters know, because they’re capable of drawing that line.

Most, like yourself, are too deeply pressed by jones as a person that you cannot be objective.

At the end of the day, there’s levels to this and you are nowhere near as smart as you think you are about this sport.

You have some training and should know better than this, but you allow your dislike of the man to bleed into his career, and that instantly removes credibility.
Literally everything you wrote is made up narrative based on nothing but conjecture. So much for sharpening your debate skills on an mma forum lol. Literally a long post about nothing of substance ahahahaha
 
Literally everything you wrote is made up narrative based on nothing but conjecture. So much for sharpening your debate skills on an mma forum lol. Literally a long post about nothing of substance ahahahaha
Well, no.

We’ve verifiably seen The takes of the highest levels of fighters

All of whom view him to be the goat

Even DC

I guess you must have some secret knowledge that even the greatest martial arts minds on the planet aren’t privy to

Open a dojo bruh, we all want to learn from your vast wisdom that nobody else knows
 
Literally everything you wrote is made up narrative based on nothing but conjecture. So much for sharpening your debate skills on an mma forum lol. Literally a long post about nothing of substance ahahahaha
You live in a fantasy world where only your own opinion matters

Problem is, there’s people who know 50 times more than you saying the exact opposite.

But in your mind, you still have the answers.

Last time we debated it was no different, you didn’t listen to a word anyone said, kept repeating the same things.

At some point, you’re just delusional and are in your own cult where only you feel this way.
 
I can't stand Jones but these smooth brains need to seriously fuck off with PED bullshit already. How the hell do people still have trouble not realizing that the entire sport is likely on PEDS. Literally a lot of names on Jones resume have popped. Can literally show you dozens of fighters, fan favorites of all sorts who had bizarre/nonsensible test levels after their fights (won't go into names cause that's got me carded before).

What he is is a weasley little duck who ran away from the hardest matchups in his career in Ngannou and Aspinall.
 
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You're the one moaning and complaining that JJ is a goat
I always found it funny, that out of the GOAT candidates for MMA the likes of George St Pierre, Anderson Silva, Demetrious Johnson, Jose Aldo, Jon Jones, Khabib Nurmagomedov

Fedor Emelianenko is the only one that his so called “fans” constantly are creating threads trying to validate his GOAT status, while simultaneously, diminishing other fighters careers, creating lies & re arranging history to solidify Fedors. Fedor is already an exceptional fighter who has had great career & will go down as arguably the greatest HW fighter, but the need to create lies to further validate his career like @BowserJr does is pathetic.
The constant hypocrisy, lies and double standards is doing more harm than good.


Greatest of all time don’t need validation, validation occurs incidentally after the fact.

Demetrious Johnson & George St Pierre is a perfect examples of that.
 
Igor V. fought a bunch of Russian nobodies and a few UFC rejects (Fred Floyd, Varelens) before Pride. When the competition got better, he had plenty of losses, including one to Tra Telligman, the guy Belfort annihilated. The level of competition Igor fought early in his career compared to Jones is insanely different.
 
He also had like 4 or 5 wins over guys who were MWs and weren't even champs at MW
Kind of like a certain HW fighting Lindland, Arona, Babalu, Randleman, Hendo and other MW/LHWs. Except that guy lost to Hendo and arguably lost to Arona.
 
Don't need to read it, Jon's not the "goat" and neither is anybody else. No denying he had an amazing couple year stretch from like 2011-2013, and at least a little of that was right place right time catching former champs after they've had some losses and surgeries.
That's been way overblown on here. Shogun was the only fighter to have a surgery. Machida was still a sold fighter, Rampage said he was at his peak before the fight and Rashad had just beaten Phil Davis in the best fight of his career. Cormier was pretty clearly the 2nd best LHW ever and beating everyone else he fought at at the time (Rumble, Gus, etc.).

Even before winning the title, Jones obliterated Bader and other fighters on one of the most dominant pre-title runs ever. He was finishing everyone in R1 or R2.
 
Well, no.

We’ve verifiably seen The takes of the highest levels of fighters

All of whom view him to be the goat

Even DC

I guess you must have some secret knowledge that even the greatest martial arts minds on the planet aren’t privy to

Open a dojo bruh, we all want to learn from your vast wisdom that nobody else knows

Well yes,.

Literally every point you tried to make assumption.

I dont need to go line by line. Cuz its 100% every single thing.

If you insist it isn't go right ahead. You should also start a debate that the night sky is brighter than day. No rational person would debate such asinine premises
 
I always found it funny, that out of the GOAT candidates for MMA the likes of George St Pierre, Anderson Silva, Demetrious Johnson, Jose Aldo, Jon Jones, Khabib Nurmagomedov

Fedor Emelianenko is the only one that his so called “fans” constantly are creating threads trying to validate his GOAT status, while simultaneously, diminishing other fighters careers, creating lies & re arranging history to solidify Fedors. Fedor is already an exceptional fighter who has had great career & will go down as arguably the greatest HW fighter, but the need to create lies to further validate his career like @BowserJr does is pathetic.
The constant hypocrisy, lies and double standards is doing more harm than good.


Greatest of all time don’t need validation, validation occurs incidentally after the fact.

Demetrious Johnson & George St Pierre is a perfect examples of that.
Cool, You made up another story!
 
You live in a fantasy world where only your own opinion matters

Problem is, there’s people who know 50 times more than you saying the exact opposite.

But in your mind, you still have the answers.

Last time we debated it was no different, you didn’t listen to a word anyone said, kept repeating the same things.

At some point, you’re just delusional and are in your own cult where only you feel this way.

Yup more stories based on conjecture from your part.

Last time we debated i quoted your own contradictions to you. That's the level of your "debate" skills, lol. Contradicting yourself, made up stories, delusion and denial. Very similar to volcom. Lots of denial, projection and fantasy.
 
Title Defenses
Under charitable terms

11 LHW, 1 HW

But this is glossing over a lot of BS. 3 controversial decisions, a failed drug test in the Gus rematch to win the belt. Complete joke defenses vs Sonnen and Stipe.

So if we’re gonna go charitable and gloss let's go all the way. Lets count wins after winning belts

JBJ 15

Fedor 18

Total Wins & Time
Furthermore, he only has 28 wins, other fighters have more wins. Khabib has more in less time.

If you account for strength of schedule, Khabib falls out but many other fighters still have more with and equal or better strength of schedule.

At best while ignoring, controversial losses, failed drug tests, eye pokes, etc... he may be the LHW GOAT but Not P4P (HW run was a joke) and definitely the overall GOAT.

The best case for that would be Fedor. And before you dismiss him because he lost later in his career consider this.

He amassed 33 fights with no legitimate losses in 10 years before he was clearly out of his prime. Comparatively Jones at best has 31 fights with no legitimate losses in 16 years. Jones had a height and reach advantage in every fight. Fedor did not in most of his.

And before you say "Fedor was only 33 yrs old, no way he was out of prime". Please tell us how well Jones has looked after 32 with less fights less camps. Cuz most if not all people would agree he looked like trash vs Santos, Reyes, Old Stipe. Only doing well vs 1 dimensional Gane. He was far more impressive before those fights.
Actually, you have YOUR panties in a wad. Who cares? You’re probably a Leflop fan, too. You’re being way too emotional. I am going to make the presumption that YOU are a troll and just trying to get other people wound up. You be you, boo.
 
Yup more stories based on conjecture from your part.

Last time we debated i quoted your own contradictions to you. That's the level of your "debate" skills, lol. Contradicting yourself, made up stories, delusion and denial. Very similar to volcom. Lots of denial, projection and fantasy.
Don’t forget emotion that would rival any woman on her period.
 
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