DC has NO chance against Jon

Driven said:
Did you watch the fight?

I've seen it several times. Round 3 was DC's most solid round.

As far as TD's, I would say Cormiers 1 TD was worth more than Jons 3. You can't include their wrestling accolades as justifying one over the other in terms of a fight.

The TDs Jon landed were small TDs. The only one that was really big and with authority was DCs slam.

I see it as "what would you rather land....3 decent jabs or 1 solid, hard punch?" just in wrestling terms.

Jon was ahead in significant strikes by a slight margin after round 2. DC was ahead in significant strikes by a slight margin walking into round 4.
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I'm not sure how someone wouldn't call that authoritative. DC didn't even get close to getting top position off of his TD for that matter.

DC's round 2 was indisputably better than his round 3. It was his best round as far as dirty boxing, he stuffed a Jones' TD, and brought alot of pressure. In round 3; he absorbed the biggest strike of the round(Jones body kick) he was outlanded, he had more limited success in the clinch, Cormier was controlled for long periods, and his pressure was alot less consistent.

As for your comment on significant strikes, I must assume that you overlooked quite a few of Jones body shots. Cormier himself has noted the volume and effect of JBJ's body work in that fight so I'd recommend you reconsider.
 
something else to consider is that Jones has to bring the fight to DC this time around which gives DC the chance to choose where the fight takes place and when to engage and when not to. Remember close rounds will favour the champion, it's going to interesting.
 
TheComputerGuy said:
DC won round 2. Was winning round 3 until eye poke. Lost the rest of the round and 4,5. AKA the eye poke changed the fight.

Without an eye poke Jones can not win a fight.
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Dart Feld said:
DC's round 2 was indisputably better than his round 3. It was his best round as far as dirty boxing, he stuffed a Jones' TD, and brought alot of pressure. In round 3; he absorbed the biggest strike of the round(Jones body kick) he was outlanded, he had more limited success in the clinch, Cormier was controlled for long periods, and his pressure was alot less consistent.

As for your comment on significant strikes, I must assume that you overlooked quite a few of Jones body shots. Cormier himself has noted the volume and effect of JBJ's body work in that fight so I'd recommend you reconsider.
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Those weren't big TDs that did damage. They were TDs, is all.

Now post DCs slam for comparison.
 
I haven't watched the fight since I watched it live, and maybe I need to watch it again. I remember thinking Jones was totally cruising. He was handling Cormier's clinch incredibly well, and then just started embarrassing Cormier by taking him down. I don't remember it being very competitive over 5 rounds, but seems like a lot of people on here do. I need to watch it again to see what I missed.....
 
I want them to fight at hw. I think cormier is better without the weight cut.
 
Hopefully the ref takes a point right away since he's a known repeat offender, 'm really sick of seeing a guy with the longest reach in the division eye poking guys
 
Driven said:
Those weren't big TDs that did damage. They were TDs, is all.

Now post DCs slam for comparison.
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This is a DC slam.

What he scored against Jones did not do damage, did not lead to top control, and on nobody's scorecards got DC that final round. It's a bit of a headscratcher for someone to put it on a pedestal imo.
 
Dart Feld said:
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This is a DC slam.

What he scored against Jones did not do damage, did not lead to top control, and on nobody's scorecards got DC that final round. It's a bit of a headscratcher for someone to put it on a pedestal imo.
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That didn't look unlike the slam he landed on Jon.

They were very similar.
 
You score 1 take down as being worth more than three off of "damage", even though said take down did no damage and DC didn't establish control or land any strikes off of it? Ok then. It's cool to have opinions, but you're just wrong, and obviously so. Scoring the fight 48-47 is a minority opinion as well, the official scorecard and most unofficial ones had it 49-46.
 
I don't think DC has much of a chance but he landed some pretty solid uppercuts in the clinch, I don't remember Jones working him there. Might have to rewatch, but seemed like DC gassing in the later rounds was the difference.
 
Mike90 said:
You score 1 take down as being worth more than three off of "damage", even though said take down did no damage and DC didn't establish control or land any strikes off of it? Ok then. It's cool to have opinions, but you're just wrong, and obviously so. Scoring the fight 48-47 is a minority opinion as well, the official scorecard and most unofficial ones had it 49-46.
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Jon had no top control either.

No TD Jon landed did damage.

Just looking at their TDs, you're putting Jons over DCs when they were just these little trip things as opposed to being hoisted in the air and put down awkwardly.

The majority of people who score it 49-46 only saw the fight once.

Round 3 was undoubtedly DCs strongest rounds. Unofficial scores on MMA websites have rounds 2 and 3 going different directions.

Having watched it multiple times, there's no doubt DC had a slight but clear edge in round 2 and definitely got round 3.
 
JJ made it LOOK like he beat the crap out of Daniel. He didn't though it was a close enough fight. And I can't wait to watch what's coming next from these two. And I can't wait for AJ's shot either.
 
Driven said:
Jon had no top control either.

No TD Jon landed did damage.

Just looking at their TDs, you're putting Jons over DCs when they were just these little trip things as opposed to being hoisted in the air and put down awkwardly.
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3 is > 1. If DC's takedown lead to some sort of damage it might be different. It didn't, so it isn't. Dc didn't land some massively damaging slam, Jon posted and DC dropped him pretty slowly. It did 0 damage, same as Jones. Only Jones had several tds and not one
 
Dart Feld said:
Saying any elite fighter has no chance against another elite fighter is silly.

I do think that DC has a huge uphill battle to avenge the loss though. I haven't seen any improvements in his last 2 fights that will make him more effective against Jones in the rematch.
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His chin has been tested (Rumble). His heart was tested (Gus). I think he will be mentally much stronger, and that may be enough. Jones didn't wrek him the first time, he just Son'd him.
 
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